Big10 - Pac12 - ACC Merger

[clonedude]

This. Big 12 will be the new G5. That is what this alliance is showing. It also shows none of these conferences or networks want any member of the Big 12. Every article, every metric and every source is confirming this.

ESPN is outright trying to destroy what's left of the Big 12. It's disgusting.

All they've ever done on that network is put down the Big 12. All their so called "experts" would always talk about how nobody in the Big 12 played defense, but never had stats to back it up.... and they also conveniently would never talk about how great the offenses in the Big 12 were.

And every single year they would talk down the idea of any Big 12 team being in the playoff, and succeeded that one year in getting TCU knocked down from 3rd to 5th to put tOSU in.

F ESPN!!!

 

[Cyclones1969]

I want to believe, I want to believe, I want to believe.

do you think it’s possible that the other conferences want ou ut and espn to pay the remaining 8 schools, since, you know, they’re actually trying to destroy college football as it’s been known?

 

[clonedude]

Except the ACC offer when it comes (closer to the Atlantic than the Pacific).

Accept? That offer is not coming I'm afraid.

 

[Rural]

ESPN is outright trying to destroy what's left of the Big 12. It's disgusting.

All they've ever done on that network is put down the Big 12. All their so called "experts" would always talk about how nobody in the Big 12 played defense, but never had stats to back it up.... and they also conveniently would never talk about how great the offenses in the Big 12 were.

And every single year they would talk down the idea of any Big 12 team being in the playoff, and succeeded that one year in getting TCU knocked down from 3rd to 5th to put tOSU in.

F ESPN!!!

Don't forget that OSU was totally undeserving.

 

[Rogue52]

I feel like we've gone from hoping for the B1G invite and a PAC merger being the worst case scenario...... to now being where the best we might be able to hope for is to add Cincy and Memphis..... or BYU, UCF, USF, Houston, etc.

One thing I'd like to know is exactly what our athletic department would look like in a new Big 12 with just adding a few of the teams mentioned above? Would we have to cut quite a few sports, and what other cuts or affects would be felt with the decrease in revenue?

I don’t think we can cut sports at this point without dropping out of Division 1. We are at or close to the minimum number. We would be looking at massive budget cuts. The football staff’s total salary is probably more than most non-AAC G5 TV income.

 

[IcSyU]

I don't understand why people think attendance numbers are important. It's about money and ISU doesn't have that. We have the highest attendance of the remaining B12 schools and I believe the lowest budget. That speaks volumes we don't want it speaking.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Accept? That offer is not coming I'm afraid.

You don’t know anything about what’s going on behind the scenes.

there are 3 other conferences that understand the ramifications to their fate if Disney is able to begin collecting brands to put in one super conference.

do you remember what the outgoing President of Florida State said about not letting his school fall behind? They’re a brand that hasn’t been relevant in several years, but is still a name school.

if you think the big 10 with the 3 schools that matter in that league, the pac 12 with the two schools that matter there, and the acc with the 3 schools that matter there, didn’t sit up and take notice they can be in the very same boat as the big 12, you're not thinking this through very well

 

[ImperialCyclone]

I don’t think we can cut sports at this point without dropping out of Division 1. We are at or close to the minimum number. We would be looking at massive budget cuts. The football staff’s total salary is probably more than most non-AAC G5 TV income.

Most likely outcome is the school itself will have to subsidize the athletics department. That is very bad. Every coach and resource we have is to support a P5 program. No coach is going to want to stay. Our ability to recruit will be shattered. The writing is clearly on the wall.

 

[AuH2O]

This. Big 12 will be the new G5. That is what this alliance is showing. It also shows none of these conferences or networks want any member of the Big 12. Every article, every metric and every source is confirming this.

Again, what metric are you talking about? You keep saying that while never saying anything of substance or showing these “metrics.” It’s just a bunch of dimwit media throwing **** against the wall.

There are plenty of threads showing actual metrics in the form of tv viewers that shows clearly that ISU and OSU would bring value to the PAC. Either would be the 3rd most watched team in the PAC.

WVU would be one of the more viewed teams in the ACC.

Media contract values are going to be largely driven by people watching.

 

[Cloneon]

I don't understand why people think attendance numbers are important. It's about money and ISU doesn't have that. We have the highest attendance of the remaining B12 schools and I believe the lowest budget. That speaks volumes we don't want it speaking.

It's about eyeballs and what they're willing to pay. Attendance is the best metric to gauge interest which directly correlates to PPV or subscriptions. All other metrics have a slant favoring a propaganda machine.

 

[knowlesjam]

More conjecture here, but what if the SEC isn't joined by the other conferences in their view/drive to the Future Football League? The SEC doesn't get the expanded playoffs and no one schedules the SEC for games (other than the needful G5 teams). No one, except SE US residents, watches their games. Maybe that is the goal of the other P5 conferences...

 

[Cyclones1969]

I don't understand why people think attendance numbers are important. It's about money and ISU doesn't have that. We have the highest attendance of the remaining B12 schools and I believe the lowest budget. That speaks volumes we don't want it speaking.

Do you think budgets matter over ratings to networks?

 

[BigJCy]

Accept the ACC offer when it comes (closer to the Atlantic than the Pacific).

AAC or ACC? If ACC then have a feeling we would be waiting for a long time.

 

[AuH2O]

Do you think budgets matter over ratings to networks?

Budgets/revenues for an AD are worthless in determining the value of a school as a poaching target. Those budgets are largely driven by three things:
1. Current media contract, which is almost completely driven by the top 2-3 teams in the league and say little about the value of the other individual teams in the league
2. Donations, which are not shared and have no direct benefit to the rest of the conference
3. Money the university gives to the AD from general operations. Some universities juice their ADs. That’s not sustainable. ISUs AD is self sufficient.

A teams value as a poaching target is how much they boost a media contract, which is a function of how much interest they will bring, plus there is still some value in expanding footprints. It’s shrinking but there’s still a decent amount of conference networks piggybacking on basic cable and sat subscribers that don’t watch.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

Again, what metric are you talking about? You keep saying that while never saying anything of substance or showing these “metrics.” It’s just a bunch of dimwit media throwing **** against the wall.

There are plenty of threads showing actual metrics in the form of tv viewers that shows clearly that ISU and OSU would bring value to the PAC. Either would be the 3rd most watched team in the PAC.

WVU would be one of the more viewed teams in the ACC.

Media contract values are going to be largely driven by people watching.

Every metric I have seen on this site shows Iowa State favoring well compared to other middling programs. The issue here is that those conferences have a blue blood. Adding Iowa State to any of those conferences does absolutely nothing for them. Outside of increased inventory, the Big 12 does nothing but dilute shares for other conferences. That is fairly obvious here. It doesn’t matter what our current record is or the most recent success we have had. This is about our university’s valuation to a conference and that valuation is not going to allow us to add money to any tv contract.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Budgets/revenues for an AD are worthless in determining the value of a school as a poaching target. Those budgets are largely driven by three things:
1. Current media contract, which is almost completely driven by the top 2-3 teams in the league and say little about the value of the other individual teams in the league
2. Donations, which are not shared and have no direct benefit to the rest of the conference
3. Money the university gives to the AD from general operations. Some universities juice their ADs. That’s not sustainable. ISUs AD is self sufficient.

A teams value as a poaching target is how much they boost a media contract, which is a function of how much interest they will bring, plus there is still some value in expanding footprints. It’s shrinking but there’s still a decent amount of conference networks piggybacking on basic cable and sat subscribers that don’t watch.

Yep, that’s why the budget argument didn’t make sense.

 

[s_ford]

This. Big 12 will be the new G5. That is what this alliance is showing. It also shows none of these conferences or networks want any member of the Big 12. Every article, every metric and every source is confirming this.

The denial around here to what is staring us directly in the face is shocking.

 

[cayin]

There is no incentive for a tv network, conference or any other schools to want to add anything. By eliminating 8 schools from the power 5, and moving them to G5 status, the tv network could save 27 mil per team per year. That is 216 mil they could pay other schools and they could pocket the rest. So with less schools in the mix, more for each school still in P5.

 

[Cloneon]

Every metric I have seen on this site shows Iowa State favoring well compared to other middling programs. The issue here is that those conferences have a blue blood. Adding Iowa State to any of those conferences does absolutely nothing for them. Outside of increased inventory, the Big 12 does nothing but dilute shares for other conferences. That is fairly obvious here. It doesn’t matter what our current record is or the most recent success we have had. This is about our university’s valuation to a conference and that valuation is not going to allow us to add money to any tv contract.

With that argument KU vs OK should be the same draw as ISU vs OK. The point being: the better the competition, the better the draw. ISU will increase the draw of any Blue Blood game.

 

[Number Monkey]

More conjecture here, but what if the SEC isn't joined by the other conferences in their view/drive to the Future Football League? The SEC doesn't get the expanded playoffs and no one schedules the SEC for games (other than the needful G5 teams). No one, except SE US residents, watches their games. Maybe that is the goal of the other P5 conferences...

Then you'd have two, or more, leagues. Those that joined the PAC/B10/ACC, those that joined the SEC, and those that joined neither.

When conferences were created originally, it was to define the rules of the sports they played together. It would likely take on a similar, albeit larger, form of fracturing.