Brackins or Fizer?

[CYdTracked]

The thing is Fizer still got the same number of double teams that Brackins sees now and take into consideration the Fizer also had Nurse and Horton besides Tinsley who could shoot the 3. Fizer would find ways to score even with the double teams he saw. Brackins doesn't have that same physical game to plow through defenses when they key in on him like they did with Fizer.

I think they are both great players, just saying if I needed a shot to win a game I'd give it to Fizer and it wouldn't even be a tough decision.

 

[CTTB78]

Fizer a better college player, Brackins a better NBA player.

 

[enisthemenace]

Frosh: 14.9 pts/6.7 rb
Soph: 18.0 pts/7.6 rb

Chopped liver

I read the sarcasm (miss the pirate). When I asked, though, what Fizer had done before Tinsley, it was in response to something like "Fizer, and it's not close. Big XII title and Elite 8."

The questions I asked were to try and divorce the notion Fizer accomplished these things on his own. While Fizer's numbers you provide above are nothing short of outstanding, what did they ultimately translate to in terms of team success?

Freshman year: 12 - 18
Sophomore year: 15 - 15

Tinsley, Horton, a more experience Stevie Johnson, Shirley, etc...
Junior year: 32 - 5 (losing to then #1 Cincinnati, at Drake, at a Hollis Price/Eduardo Najera led Oklamoma, double-overtime at Colorado to an unconscious Jaquay Walls, AT MICHIGAN STATE in the Elite Eight).

 

[CYEATHAWK]

They are both reflections of their coaches. Fizer was physical, salty and took it too people. Brackins is all finesse, and at times soft. And with the most recent post game comment by GMac.....I now understand why. Give me a Fizer anyday. Because unless the shots are all falling......physical beats finesse every time.

 

[LindenCy]

I read the sarcasm (miss the pirate). When I asked, though, what Fizer had done before Tinsley, it was in response to something like "Fizer, and it's not close. Big XII title and Elite 8."

The questions I asked were to try and divorce the notion Fizer accomplished these things on his own. While Fizer's numbers you provide above are nothing short of outstanding, what did they ultimately translate to in terms of team success?

Freshman year: 12 - 18
Sophomore year: 15 - 15

Tinsley, Horton, a more experience Stevie Johnson, Shirley, etc...
Junior year: 32 - 5 (losing to then #1 Cincinnati, at Drake, at a Hollis Price/Eduardo Najera led Oklamoma, double-overtime at Colorado to an unconscious Jaquay Walls, AT MICHIGAN STATE in the Elite Eight).

Just a small correction, but it was a double OT loss to Oklahoma and an OT loss to CU.

 

[enisthemenace]

They are both reflections of their coaches. Fizer was physical, salty and took it too people. Brackins is all finesse, and at times soft. And with the most recent post game comment by GMac.....I now understand why. Give me a Fizer anyday. Because unless the shots are all falling......physical beats finesse every time.

Tell that to the '96 UCLA team who lost to Princeton in the first round of that year's NCAA tournament. I'm just being a smart*** now :wink:

 

[Cydkar]

Freshman year: 12 - 18
Sophomore year: 15 - 15

Remarkably similar to Craig's first 2 years. From what I've seen, I'd take Fizer.

 

[cyco2000]

If the current team needs a bucket, do they go to Brackins?

If that team needed a bucket, it went to Fizer. Fizer would split a double team with his strength and flush it home. Within 10', that guy was money. A physical force. He also knew how to draw a charge--my wife and I still call flops 'Fizer Flops'--dude should have been winning Emmys. For the amount of times he took it to people on offense, then got 'knocked down' on defense by dudes half his size was fantastic.

 

[CycloneErik]

If the current team needs a bucket, do they go to Brackins?

If that team needed a bucket, it went to Fizer. Fizer would split a double team with his strength and flush it home. Within 10', that guy was money. A physical force. He also knew how to draw a charge--my wife and I still call flops 'Fizer Flops'--dude should have been winning Emmys. For the amount of times he took it to people on offense, then got 'knocked down' on defense by dudes half his size was fantastic.

Yes. When things get sloppy or whatever (at least in that Iowa game), they went straight to Brackins, and he made sure to put down the shot.

It doesn't matter to me which one is better. They're different enough that it's all good to me.

 

[herbicide]

If the current team needs a bucket, do they go to Brackins?

Its starting to look like Gilstrap or Dendy are going to be the "go to" guys.:wideeyed:

 

[Prone2Clone]

Fizer. No question. Killer attitude/toughness advantage over Brackins. Talent wise, probably very even although different styles/bodies.

 

[moforisu]

Fizer dominated the game more, BUT he had better guards!

 

[jwillyISU]

I think when comparing the two you can see some comparisons and some limitations.

Fizer was more beastly in the post, while Brackins has more of a finesse game. Both could shoot outside, but Brackins has more of an edge there. Who could carry a team on their back and was mentally stronger - that would be Fizer.

I really see Brackins having limitations on handling the ball and on defense, it just seemed that Fizer moved around smoother than Craig. That being said Fizer could just take over games, and he did (scored 29 or more in 6 straight conference games)

Hope Craig can prove me wrong this year though! Wish he had a point like Tinsley

 

[burn587]

I don't think it was necessarily Tinsley being the point guard that made the massive improvement, it was getting Michael Nurse off the point and stretching out the defense that made the big difference. Nobody's questioning Fizer had better players surrounding him but really that was only his junior year, but people forget he really had no help on the block that year. Martin Rancik was playing like a beast until he got hurt (around the time of the holiday tourney) and never really got back up to speed. Paul Shirley got hurt and didn't come back until the Michigan State. So basically it was Marcus at the 5, and 6'3" Stevie Johnson at the 4. Stevie performed excellently given the circumstances but he still wasn't the threat those other two were.

 

[CyinCo]

Fizer because he wasn't afraid to be physical. In fact, he thrived on it.

 

[cdekovic]

'nuf said....

 

[CycloneJoe]

Brackins couldnt guard Northwesterns short white guys how did that turn out?

Fizer by ten miles

 

[ajk4st8]

Brackins couldnt guard Northwesterns short white guys how did that turn out?

Fizer by ten miles

All that comes to my mind is Fizer = game winning shots..

Brackins = Hawaii

 

[drmwevr08]

It is hard to say what different players would do exactly with different teamates that they don't have and Fizers team was definitely much better than Craigs. However, Fizer was a man down low and worked very hard. Until Craig puts his *** in the paint more and gives as much effort (maybe hes an 'easy effort guy') I'll definitely take the big MF. :yes:

 

[CTAClone]

I remember around this time last year I was thinking where is Brackins? What's the hype? And then Big 12 came around and he just became much more physical and dominant. Right now he's having quiet 15 point games and I expect him to become more dominant as the season progresses like he did last year.