Bubu Suing ISU

[MeowingCows]

I'm actually not emotional at all. I do know former rape victims, and I know that some of them have felt like they needed to go to desperate measures to be believed, as rape victims are re-victimized and not believed in most situations. There is a reason that the gross majority of rapes and assaults go unreported. I don't think it is impossible that the girl here did the same. I find it disgusting that people think, "She was drunk, she was asking for it." Or "she texted him, therefore she must have been DTF."

Fulfilling "his rights" implies that he kept the contract that he had with ISU to act as a representative and have good conduct. Those rights were reliant on that. Those were rights, additionally, that ISU gave him that nobody else offered or allowed. It's essentially saying, "Oh, hey - you said you were going to gift me $100 of your money, but you only gave me $75. I'm going to sue you for $1000." Had ISU not given him the chance to play, he wouldn't be in the D-league right now, unless there were offers from other NCAA schools that have not been reported previously. Perhaps ISU should subtract his winnings from a lawsuit from the D-league wages they've helped him earn?

Not a single person here has made the first claim I bolded. The second claim is entirely a speculation, which also cannot be proven.

If you feel so strongly about that side of the argument, then you should be upset about this whole decision on the girl's end. She completely dis-legitimized her case by technicality. Had she not done what she did, maybe we wouldn't even be having this argument and would instead be reveling about the length of Palo's term in prison. Cases like this are leaning toward the mentality you describe where the cases can't be taken seriously. Because, the simple fact is that not all of them are true. Some of them are falsified in various ways. Many of them aren't fake, are 100% legitimate, and should absolutely be taken very seriously and dealt with accordingly. However, it's no good to be creating this environmental assumption on campuses that "all men are out to rape you", or otherwise striking fear of these situations into both men and women. That's highly emotional, highly biased, and detracts validity from real events. Truth is still truth, but false cannot and should not be perceived as true, when it's actually not.

As for D-League money, who knows. It's hard to subjectively prove that his time kept off the court at ISU resulted in loss of future income. There isn't really a good way to quantify that. But, if he wants to fight to find out, so be it. After all, this is the internet and this case is not going to affect a single person in this thread. But, it is what it is.

 

[CYphyllis]

Stuff like this just amazes me. Relationships of all kinds are incredibly complex (sexual relationships being no different) and to try and paint this as black and white is just amazing.

In every complex relationship I've ever seen, dead fishing your partner was not considered to be in the grey - it fell completely in the wrong.

I'm amazed that you'd even need that explained to you.

 

[jkclone]

In every complex relationship I've ever seen, dead fishing your partner was not considered to be in the grey - it fell completely in the wrong.

I'm amazed that you'd even need that explained to you.

And once again we have people arguing over something that no one said. If she was unconscious or close to that then of course that is wrong. The problem is at least the evidence that we have that is not what happened. This is a perfect example of why you should just avoid these situations altogether. He said she said situations never end well.

 

[MeowingCows]

You understand that there are truly only two sides to this, correct? You either support Bubu or you don't. This isn't a conversation about a complex issue with wildly varying opinions from all sides, so please, quit trying to frame it as such.

I make no bones about it, Bubu is guilty as sin in my mind. You strip away the hometown walkon status with the cute nickname and all you have left is a kid who took advantage of a girl and then turned around and used his lawyers to slut shame her to the point that he got away with it.

There was no ISU administration vendetta against Bubu, there was no plan just to hold the kid back for nefarious reasons - they simply looked through the information and came to the basic conclusion that this was not the type of person they wanted associated with their university.

It's not a difficult situation to read between the lines on.

I believe they call this "false dichotomy". "Either you're with me, or you're against me!"

Instead of caring about his "hometown boy status" (when I'm not an Ames native, anyway, nor did I even know Bubu was until today...), I care about the actual results of the case in relation to what's going on now. Nothing to do with homerism. Just facts and information available (which isn't much).

 

[CyDude16]

BuBu should be handed the keys to Iowa State for this. Was an absolute atrocity by Iowa State.

I'm still waiting on the pirate after this statement

 

[MeowingCows]

The ALJ found that the woman had been raped by Bubu's friend.

Seems like a victim to me.

Okay, that was answered after all.

Was Bubu the rapist? That is the core issue at hand, leading to the rest of the cases and these arguments.

 

[CyDude16]

And, I would say him currently succeeding in the D-League is a pretty good indicator that he could've had better opportunities if the situation ended differently. Then again, I'm not sitting at the Judge's bench to decide that. Honestly, I was also on the idea of "be done with it and move on" since he won the defamation suit, but if this is what he wants to pursue, I'm not going to downplay his ability to pursue it.

Then why hasn't has he been picked out of the d-league? He's had ample time to prove himself for Better opportunities that weren't stripped from him by any means.

 

[CyDude16]

Bubu is starting for the best team in the D-Leauge, saying he didn't possibly lose wages is wrong.

And he has yet to get a call up, so saying he lost wages is wrong.

 

[MeowingCows]

Then why hasn't has he been picked out of the d-league? He's had ample time to prove himself for Better opportunities that weren't stripped from him by any means.

I said in another comment that I don't really believe he will win anything, but saying he has no base for even attempting is incorrect. He can certainly try.

 

[NWICY]

I think when most 17-23 year olds think long and hard about casual sex with a woman it's more on the subject of "should I hit that from the front or behind?"

And time to put in the why not both gif. Someone please add.

 

[jkclone]

And he has yet to get a call up, so saying he lost wages is wrong.

This isn't only the NBA. Maybe he would have gone to Europe or something. I haven't followed his career, but just saying he wouldn't have been in the NBA doesn't mean he didn't lose out on something.

 

[Nycclone]

Just jumping in.

I think it's ridiculous he is suing Isu.

The iowa Supreme Court ruled not to review the case due to issues now being mot but the fact remains the federal courts could due to the situation being possible to happen again yet never seeing judicial review

And now he wants to sue the school?

Seriously dude, stop kicking the dead horse. You banged a girl that you witnessed being sexually assaulted while talking on your cell phone.

Let it go.

 

[Pat]

Ok - per this article, all 3 were "under the influence of alcohol," and only Palo admitted to marijuana use. No mention of blackout drunkenness. This is actually as comprehensive summary of facts/statements as I've seen, though it does include statements of opinion from the ISU admin that found Palo not in violation. Facts are good.


http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_cb565986-3f7e-11e4-aa73-731dc303d9f2.html

 

[DoctorUncle]

What? I don't think you understand torts.

Just jumping in.

I think it's ridiculous he is suing Isu.

The iowa Supreme Court ruled not to review the case due to issues now being mot but the fact remains the federal courts could due to the situation being possible to happen again yet never seeing judicial review

And now he wants to sue the school?

Seriously dude, stop kicking the dead horse. You banged a girl that you witnessed being sexually assaulted while talking on your cell phone.

Let it go.

 

[carvers4math]

Despite all of the comments about affirmative consent "ruining the mood," it seems like showing up with a guy that the woman doesn't want there and standing around while he rapes might be a mood killer. And then going ahead with sex immediately after the rape without affirmative consent is beyond my understanding.

 

[CyDude16]

This isn't only the NBA. Maybe he would have gone to Europe or something. I haven't followed his career, but just saying he wouldn't have been in the NBA doesn't mean he didn't lose out on something.

Whats preventing him from going to Europe? Certainly not this cloud hanging over his head.

 

[00clone]

What? I don't think you understand torts.

I completely understand torts. Apple is my favorite, followed by pear.

 

[MeowingCows]

Despite all of the comments about affirmative consent "ruining the mood," it seems like showing up with a guy that the woman doesn't want there and standing around while he rapes might be a mood killer. And then going ahead with sex immediately after the rape without affirmative consent is beyond my understanding.

This is entirely speculation based on the idea that Bubu know upfront that his friend raped her before his turn happened. That hasn't been clarified yet.

 

[carvers4math]

This is entirely speculation based on the idea that Bubu know upfront that his friend raped her before his turn happened. That hasn't been clarified yet.

Wow. The ALJ mentioned that the victim was traumatized.

 

[SpokaneCY]

You are WAAAAYYYY too emotional with this. That is why people are not taking you seriously in this debate. I don't know if you know the victim, or have have known other victims in the past, but past cases and examples don't indicate that this current situation was rape. The victim fabricating evidence is a huge problem and leads people to believe the other side of the story. This does NOT mean that those people are 'PRO-Rape', or ANTI-victim. All it means is that when someone tries to mis-represent a situation with fabricated evidence, there is a PRETTY good chance that people are going to think you are intentionally lying. This may or MAY NOT be the case. It could just be a situation where someone was just trying to do everything in their power to get a bad person arrested....but that DOESN'T make fabricating evicence right.

I also think most of us understand that Iowa State's Student Conduct Policy is MUCH different than the legal system, and as such there are MUCH different thresholds of burdens of proof. But...there is also no denying that a non-biased arbiter that was HIRED by ISU ruled in Bubu's favor and said he should be able to continue playing. There is also no denying that President Leath COMPLETELY botched the appeal by waiting WAYYYY too long to issue a ruling preventing Bubu from transferring to an institution where he WOULD be eligible to play.

Leath's delay cost Bubu the opportunity to play collegiate athletics 1 last time. There may not be any 'literal monetary' value to playing basketball, but there DEFINATELY is an emotional one. IMO, This gives Bubu standing to sue ISU as they took away his opportunity to fulfill his rights as a collegiate student (not just an ISU student, but as a student in general as he could have transfered).

We should him start 1 last time? Let him miss 1 last shot so he has closure? Maybe retire his jersey?

He played some. Exhibited really bad judgement with several others. Continued working out and practicing with the program and graduated from ISU. Now he plays professional basketball.