Bubu Suing ISU

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After reading through the majority of comments here, it occurred to me that one of the overriding problems with this whole mess is an utter lack of personal responsibility. And this is an issue that goes far beyond one he said-she said case in Iowa.

Nobody likes admitting they are or did wrong. When we make bad decisions - whether clouded by alcohol (or other stimuli) or not - our first reaction is to figure out a way to cover it up. Which generally requires lying. And then the problem is compounded.

It sounds like all parties involved would be better served by either telling the whole truth (yeah, a pipe dream, I know) or simply living with the fact that a bad decision changed their lives in a very profound way.
 

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Not a single person here has made the first claim I bolded. The second claim is entirely a speculation, which also cannot be proven.

If you feel so strongly about that side of the argument, then you should be upset about this whole decision on the girl's end. She completely dis-legitimized her case by technicality. Had she not done what she did, maybe we wouldn't even be having this argument and would instead be reveling about the length of Palo's term in prison. Cases like this are leaning toward the mentality you describe where the cases can't be taken seriously. Because, the simple fact is that not all of them are true. Some of them are falsified in various ways. Many of them aren't fake, are 100% legitimate, and should absolutely be taken very seriously and dealt with accordingly. However, it's no good to be creating this environmental assumption on campuses that "all men are out to rape you", or otherwise striking fear of these situations into both men and women. That's highly emotional, highly biased, and detracts validity from real events. Truth is still truth, but false cannot and should not be perceived as true, when it's actually not.

As for D-League money, who knows. It's hard to subjectively prove that his time kept off the court at ISU resulted in loss of future income. There isn't really a good way to quantify that. But, if he wants to fight to find out, so be it. After all, this is the internet and this case is not going to affect a single person in this thread. But, it is what it is.

You should go up-thread; people absolutely claimed she was asking for it because she was texting him earlier in the day. Others claimed that she was drunk, so she was also at fault.

If you've googled "D-league money," it's about $20k - $25k per season. Let's say he's making $20k per season. Let's pretend that he would have developed enough that he would have been at the top of the D-league pack (that's implying that he's better than players with abilities similar to Royce). That would mean a loss of about $5k per year. THE TRAGEDY.

And let's pretend that he's good enough to play overseas. (Which is fairly laughable, at this point. As a point of comparison, DeAndre Kane is playing overseas - I think you'll have a hard time comparing Bubu's stats with Kane's.) He's been training and playing with developing NBA players for a couple of years - if he were so good, why hasn't he been recruited to play overseas now? What's stopping him?

I'm not going to even address the possibility of him making an NBA team, because that's so far-fetched that it's ridiculous to even compare.
 

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Don't be silly, of course he could have. He ended up signing a contract to play in the NBDL but you think he could not have gotten a scholarship anywhere but ISU?

Have you seen reports from him or anyone else about people scouting him, about any offers? If ISU didn't even offer him, and he was in their own backyard, who else was lining up to do so?

That isn't to say that he wasn't good enough to receive an offer/should have; it is saying that he wasn't playing until ISU let him walk on.
 

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So much of this thread is speculation and hyperbole and not legal.

Whether or not Bubu did something that he should not have or whether or not the woman lied is something only the two of them know.

Legally, he was wronged...whether you believe everything that led up to that doesn't matter.

It impacted him in a negative manner. None of you know definitively what it may have or may not have cost him.

ISU was a part of that negative impact. Now he's asking the courts to help determine what that cost is worth.

The one thing I'm happy to be reminded of is how many NBA scouts we have on the site.
 

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You're not providing any examples with any substantiated NBA success. Can you provide an ISU player with Bubu's stats who has been a success in the NBA, or who was even drafted? I'll wait.

Or even people who have had a lot of success overseas.
2.9 ppg, 1.4 assists per game, 1.4 rebounds per game

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7.0 ppg, 3.0 assists per game, 2.5 rebounds per game

First stat line playing against college players. Second stat line playing against professionals. This year he is scoring 11.8 ppg.
 

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2.9 ppg, 1.4 assists per game, 1.4 rebounds per game

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7.0 ppg, 3.0 assists per game, 2.5 rebounds per game

First stat line playing against college players. Second stat line playing against professionals. This year he is scoring 11.8 ppg.

I don't think you understand what "compare his stats against someone successful in the NBA" means.
 

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I don't think you understand what "compare his stats against someone successful in the NBA" means.
I don't think you understand what "people can get paid for playing basketball in leagues other than the NBA" means.
 

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According to the findings of Administrative Law Judge John Priester in a separate case over sexual misconduct sanctions ISU handed Palo, Cruise raped the alleged victim and left the room. Palo came into the room immediately afterward, Priester found, and had sex with the still-traumatized woman, who did not verbally consent but did not convey a lack of consent. - See more at: http://amestrib.com/news/trial-set-palo-defamation-suit#.dpuf
Doesn't sound like there was much of a mood to kill. Reading this gives me little sympathy for Bubu. This is the findings of the judge who did not punish Bubu's because he is required to have a higher standard of proof. He did conclude that there was a rape and that at very least Bubu took advantage of the situation immediately afterwards while the girl was still traumatized. I've seen a few cases of totally made up rape charges, they looked nothing like this. Just because he wasn't convincted doesn't mean he didn't violate the code of student conduct and basic human decency. Bubu definitely won't get anything for his "damaged" pro career and hopefully will loose the case.

I really hope there is no settlement. Leath reached a different conclusion than the ALJ using the ALJ's findings of fact. Might as well rehash those findings of fact in open court Bubu.
 

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I'd be curious as to what the members here think Bubu should be awarded monetarily, assuming of course you felt the University was at fault here.

Sexual assault cases are the absolute worst thing for a university and an athletic department to handle. There's often only two witnesses, one or more of which are often under the influence of alcohol or drugs. There's plenty of under reported sexual assaults and there are times when they are fraudulently reported. Add in the fact that the world expects the university to act immediately to either suspend the athlete (which could incorrectly penalize them with no recourse) or let the athlete play pending criminal resolution of the claim (which indirectly marginalizes the claim of the victim and opens the university up for criticism) and I have no idea how to effectively, fairly and consistently balance all of the interests here.

Even non-athletes are a huge issue. The victim rightly doesn't want to be around the accused and may request a different dorm assignment or other accomodations to feel safe. Who moves and why without a full blown trial?

Add in that the standards of proof are higher in a criminal court of law than in a student conduct code so you could have someone not guilty under one standard and guilty under another and it's just a nightmare to fairly balance the rights of everyone.

All true, but leah screwed up when he reversed an ALJ who cleared Bubu and he was already playing after he had charges dropped. He had no pressure in this case to take those actions (at least publically, no doubt he did internally). I think he acted in a way that lacked courage and instead just went with the action that would appease some faculty.
 

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Whatever Bubu did do, he was stupid. Did he deserve what happened to him? That's debatable, but it's sad to see people paint him like a saint or act like it's what all college kids do. The whole story is sad and it's been beaten to the ground more times that almost anything on this site.

If saying someone got screwed over and has the right to sue makes them a saint, then yes, people in this thread think Bubu is a saint.
 

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So he still made it to the D league which is probably about his ceiling, really not following how he possibly lost wages.

They owe him a year and a half of D League wage IMO. Not that hard to figure out since he was delayed from graduation to playing there.
 

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If saying someone got screwed over and has the right to sue makes them a saint, then yes, people in this thread think Bubu is a saint.

Some people sure come off as Bubu fanboys when this thread arises. He definitely has the right to sue, but there's a lot of energy spent defending someone who at the least was stupid and at the worst is a sexual offender.
 

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What's preventing him from going to Europe? Or finding a job with his degree?

the negative stigma of being accused as a rapist, kicked off a Div.1 bball team and then let go?

Not sure who you hire but in most industries, HR tends to do things like background checks and weird stuff like that...and whether or not it's legal to do so, people don't get hired or get the benefit of the doubt when things like that happen to them.
 
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