Cam Newton could be ruled ineligilble tomorrow

[cycloneworld]

Auburn probably did not do anything wrong....

But like in the Movie "Blue Chips", if true.....? do not kid yourself somebody knew something...? If the kid or his Dad got paid, somebody in the Football program knows. Now try and prove it, that is a whole other story....

While I don't believe it, Auburn may not have done anything wrong (except I highly doubt they asked MSU for $180,000 at a "discount", they said no, and he went to Auburn). However, Cam Newton is still likely ineligible for committing a NCAA violation...or at least his people did on his behalf. Even if he never got paid to go to Auburn.

 

[CycloneJames]

You also have to remember that Newton is a 20-21 year old young man who probably has no idea what his father's financial status is. I know when I was that age I had no idea what my dad made money wise or where his money came from. All I knew is that my dad was there for me and that I valued his opinion. This can be the same for Newton presently.

If you read the whole article linked at the beginning, it says that by NCAA rules he would be ineligible even if he or his dad took money. So as I read it, it doesn't matter if money changed hands or if Cam Newton knew about it. The fact that someone representing him was talking to boosters about the "pay-for-play" plan makes him ineligible.

EDIT: Here is the part of the article I'm referring to:
"According to NCAA interpretations, such an action would be a rules violation regardless of whether money exchanged hands or if Newton eventually signed with another school.
“The solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules,” NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday.
Under NCAA guidelines, Newton could be held responsible for any alleged solicitation on the part of Rogers or his father, and determined to be ineligible."

 

[cloneatlaw]

Some of you are responding as if the NCAA would ask Newton whether he's willing to sit (you probably got that idea from the misleading headline in the linked article). Of course he wouldn't sit if asked -- if he's ineligible, he'll just go to the NFL after this year and earn his second big signing bonus. The NCAA would ask Auburn's compliance department (who should be looking for a new boss soon) to force him to sit. And if they sit him sooner rather than later, Auburn may get a smaller penalty in all of this (if nothing else, they'd actually get to keep any games they win without him). If Auburn thinks there's any risk that this is all going to be founded and they'll face some penalties, they'd be stupid to keep him in if the NCAA asks them nicely to sit him.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

Chizik did put a "period" on his statement. That should have been good enough for everybody.

 

[CycloneErik]

I used Palmeiro as a sermon illustration (a positive one) the day before this happened.

The aftermath, while funny, showed that people paid attention at least to that part.

 

[chuckd4735]

Yikes! The FBI is now involved into this?

 

[khess83]

Does the chiz drip stay if they get the NCAA death penalty? (as they should)

Everything I have heard in this story implicates the money came from a Ole Miss booster. That would have nothing to do with Auburn, so why would they get the death penalty? Have I misunderstood somewhere along the way?

 

[alarson]

 

[tulsacyfan]

Has anyone read the posts on college football talk.com as to Cecil Newton's church? I have a theory on how this all went down.

Hiding $200,000 is tough if it goes directly to Cam or Cecil Newton from a donor, but what if the money was given directly to Cecil Newton's church as a charitable contribution(s)? If you read the articles about Cecil Newton's church, they clearly were experiencing extreme financial difficulties. I am not talking about Auburn giving money to the church, but it would be relatively easy for an SEC school to get ten donors to give $20,000 each to a church.

Think about it - wealthy donors actually get to tax deduct their contributions, the church has zero reporting requirement of its finances, donors or anything to anybody, etc. Most of these wealthy donors are going to give money each year somewhere - why not give money to help a church and get the best quarterback for your university to boot? Why give money to a kid directly if you could donate to his Dad's church and take a tax deduction?

Cecil Newton also operates a construction company per this article at CFT.com, so the Church could then pay his construction company an inflated price to do the work, maybe even use old Cam as a ghost sub-contractor or something.

You can all tell I am a CPA I guess by now.

What goes around comes around in life - first we beat Texas, and now old Gene is in trouble - I love it!

 

[jbhtexas]

The NFL doesn't care and it shouldn't. What happens in the NCAA has no bearing for them. They are a bottomline business.

College football has no bearing on the NFL??? How many players go directly from high school to the NFL?

College football is the NFL's minor league system, and it saves the NFL a boatload of money by preventing the NFL from having to run a minor league system that prepares high school players (particularly physically) for professional football.

Either the NFL needs to institute punishment/bans for players that violate NCAA rules, or the NFL needs to suck it up and start their own minor league system. However, as others have pointed out, the NFL taking any action against players for NCAA violations likely won't happen. It was reported a couple of weeks ago that the NFL was looking into this matter, but that the players union strongly opposed any punishment against its players for NCAA violations.

 

[isufbcurt]

Has anyone read the posts on college football talk.com as to Cecil Newton's church? I have a theory on how this all went down.

Hiding $200,000 is tough if it goes directly to Cam or Cecil Newton from a donor, but what if the money was given directly to Cecil Newton's church as a charitable contribution(s)? If you read the articles about Cecil Newton's church, they clearly were experiencing extreme financial difficulties. I am not talking about Auburn giving money to the church, but it would be relatively easy for an SEC school to get ten donors to give $20,000 each to a church.

Think about it - wealthy donors actually get to tax deduct their contributions, the church has zero reporting requirement of its finances, donors or anything to anybody, etc. Most of these wealthy donors are going to give money each year somewhere - why not give money to help a church and get the best quarterback for your university to boot? Why give money to a kid directly if you could donate to his Dad's church and take a tax deduction?

Cecil Newton also operates a construction company per this article at CFT.com, so the Church could then pay his construction company an inflated price to do the work, maybe even use old Cam as a ghost sub-contractor or something.

You can all tell I am a CPA I guess by now.

What goes around comes around in life - first we beat Texas, and now old Gene is in trouble - I love it!

DING DING DING. Right on from another CPA.

 

[zarnold56]

College football has no bearing on the NFL??? How many players go directly from high school to the NFL?

College football is the NFL's minor league system, and it saves the NFL a boatload of money by preventing the NFL from having to run a minor league system that prepares high school players (particularly physically) for professional football.

Either the NFL needs to institute punishment/bans for players that violate NCAA rules, or the NFL needs to suck it up and start their own minor league system. However, as others have pointed out, the NFL taking any action against players for NCAA violations likely won't happen. It was reported a couple of weeks ago that the NFL was looking into this matter, but that the players union strongly opposed any punishment against its players for NCAA violations.

How does it benefit the NFL to punish the players? Why should they care? If a player received benefits in college how does that affect their ability to play football in the NFL? The NFL isn't pretending to be a goody goody institution. The NCAA makes billions off their student athletes and the students see no kick back from it. If college's purpose is to prepare people for a future career, why should a star football player have to go to class anyway?

 

[tulsacyfan]

DING DING DING. Right on from another CPA.

Thanks Isufbcurt!

Here is what the NCAA should be going after - did any of the coaching staff (surely they would not be this dumb) or top 100 or so major donors to the Auburn program donate money to Cecil Newton's church?

My guess is that there are some snakes under this wood pile.

 

[d30fan]

Is there anything other than speculation that would indicate that Auburn, or the chiz, payed anything for Newton's services? From what is known, it would seem. at this point, the only people in trouble are at Old Miss and Newton.

 

[CycloneErik]

The CPA ideas here sound legitimately disturbing, but that sounds like the way it would be done.

 

[weR138]

Has anyone read the posts on college football talk.com as to Cecil Newton's church? I have a theory on how this all went down.

Hiding $200,000 is tough if it goes directly to Cam or Cecil Newton from a donor, but what if the money was given directly to Cecil Newton's church as a charitable contribution(s)? If you read the articles about Cecil Newton's church, they clearly were experiencing extreme financial difficulties. I am not talking about Auburn giving money to the church, but it would be relatively easy for an SEC school to get ten donors to give $20,000 each to a church.

Think about it - wealthy donors actually get to tax deduct their contributions, the church has zero reporting requirement of its finances, donors or anything to anybody, etc. Most of these wealthy donors are going to give money each year somewhere - why not give money to help a church and get the best quarterback for your university to boot? Why give money to a kid directly if you could donate to his Dad's church and take a tax deduction?

Cecil Newton also operates a construction company per this article at CFT.com, so the Church could then pay his construction company an inflated price to do the work, maybe even use old Cam as a ghost sub-contractor or something.

You can all tell I am a CPA I guess by now.

What goes around comes around in life - first we beat Texas, and now old Gene is in trouble - I love it!

So that's why I saw a quip about a collection plate on a message board...

 

[jbhtexas]

How does it benefit the NFL to punish the players? Why should they care?

The NFL should care because it would help protect the integrity of an organization provides benefits to them. It's the right thing to do. Which is why it won't happen.

If a player received benefits in college how does that affect their ability to play football in the NFL?

That should be obvious. If the benefits received in college didn't affect a kid's ability to play in the NFL, the kids would go straight to the NFL and bypass college altogether.

 

[cyhiphopp]

College football has no bearing on the NFL??? How many players go directly from high school to the NFL?

College football is the NFL's minor league system, and it saves the NFL a boatload of money by preventing the NFL from having to run a minor league system that prepares high school players (particularly physically) for professional football.

Either the NFL needs to institute punishment/bans for players that violate NCAA rules, or the NFL needs to suck it up and start their own minor league system. However, as others have pointed out, the NFL taking any action against players for NCAA violations likely won't happen. It was reported a couple of weeks ago that the NFL was looking into this matter, but that the players union strongly opposed any punishment against its players for NCAA violations.

A bit off topic here, but if the NFL ever did create a real Minor League system which drafted high school players, it would completely ruin college football. NCAA football would rank about where NCAA baseball does as far as revenue production for all but the highest level of college football.

The NFL better never do that or the athletic budgets for almost every school would plumet.

 

[Tre4ISU]

College football has no bearing on the NFL??? How many players go directly from high school to the NFL?

College football is the NFL's minor league system, and it saves the NFL a boatload of money by preventing the NFL from having to run a minor league system that prepares high school players (particularly physically) for professional football.

Either the NFL needs to institute punishment/bans for players that violate NCAA rules, or the NFL needs to suck it up and start their own minor league system. However, as others have pointed out, the NFL taking any action against players for NCAA violations likely won't happen. It was reported a couple of weeks ago that the NFL was looking into this matter, but that the players union strongly opposed any punishment against its players for NCAA violations.

Why? What does their NCAA career have to do with their NFL career? They are seperate entities with totally different systems in terms of compensation. The NCAA needs to be a little more soncerned with it. Maybe instead of worrying about Michigan stretching too much and have too many QC assistants who know something about football, they should be worried about the many players getting paid to play. I see the latter as a much greater infraction than what Michigan did.


As for the poster who said that this is strictly related to Ole Miss. Come on. Do you think they were asking for money just from Ole Miss? Let's be real here. If they were asking money from one place, they were asking it from others. Did someone associated with Auburn pay? It seems we don't know yet but I would venture to guess they did since they got him and Ole Miss didn't.

 

[terryleebr]

A bit off topic here, but if the NFL ever did create a real Minor League system which drafted high school players, it would completely ruin college football. NCAA football would rank about where NCAA baseball does as far as revenue production for all but the highest level of college football.

The NFL better never do that or the athletic budgets for almost every school would plumet.

You mean the school's primary purpose would be academic? We can't have that.