Can we make a big run this year?

[twojman]

I like the way ISU stacks up this year. I do not think a top 3 finish in the Big 12 is out of the question. One thing I forgot was the young guys that OSU had last year. The Big 12 is going to be better then I was thinking about a month ago. I think Tech and TCU will be dog meat and will win maybe 5-6 conference games between the two of them.

I think ISU is going to be able to beat teams in a variety of ways this year which will help if the three doesn't hit then the D can step up. I think ISU may have a better mid range shot type game this season.

Let's win a few more football games this season and then worry about whether ISU ends up as a 3, 4 or 5 seed in the NCAA tourney.

 

[clonedude]

They also lost the guy that won them a lot of game in Gatens. Them losing Gatens is bigger to them than us losing White IMO.

Will they be tough at home, ya maybe. But I still think they are at least a year away from going to the tourney, and we by far have the better team than them this year. I'd rather have Percy than Aaron White, rather have Clyburn than Basabe, rather have Korie than Gessel. Rather have Babb than Marble and I'd rather have Ejim than what ever other goofy white guy they throw out there for a starter. Then we got Niang I'd rather have as a young bigman than Woodbury, Magee as a 6th man, Booker, who am I forgetting. I'm failing to see anywhere where they are better than us.

I'm not so sure if them losing Gatens is bigger than us losing Royce White, but that could be? Gatens scored a lot of points for Iowa. But Royce White was a game changer.

At the 1 spot- Korie Lucious is a big advantage for us over Gesell
2- I think I'd take Marble over Babb. Marble is better offensively, Babb better defensively.
3- Clyburn over anyone Iowa has.
4- Aaron White over Ejim probably, but it's closer than most might think.
5- Gibson/Booker over Woodbury. Woodbury might end up being better than Gibson at some point in his career, but not as a true freshman.

 

[peteypie]

I'm not so sure if them losing Gatens is bigger than us losing Royce White, but that could be? Gatens scored a lot of points for Iowa. But Royce White was a game changer.

At the 1 spot- Korie Lucious is a big advantage for us over Gesell
2- I think I'd take Marble over Babb. Marble is better offensively, Babb better defensively.
3- Clyburn over anyone Iowa has.
4- Aaron White over Ejim probably, but it's closer than most might think.
5- Gibson/Booker over Woodbury. Woodbury might end up being better than Gibson at some point in his career, but not as a true freshman.

No way, If Babb does get Marble as a defensive assignment chalk that up as advantage us.

 

[Cydkar]

Quit with the Iowa love-fest/fear. They are going to struggle badly early on with their 2 starting Freshman. Woodbury will pick up fouls at an alarming rate against and athletic big man with a pulse and Gessel (who will be a good) will struggle against good defenders. We play them in the first few weeks of the season with a veteran team and 3 5th year senior starters including Babb who will guard Marble.

We aren't losing in Iowa City. I will concede that they should be a decent by seasons end but they aren't dancing.

We've lost to worse Iowa teams at Carver. If it was at Hilton it would be a non-issue. I specifically mentioned that getting them early was a plus. It's not a love-fest to say that a team will be improved.

I think they are a bubble team and playing any team capable of making post season play makes me nervous on the road.

 

[tyler24]

They also lost the guy that won them a lot of game in Gatens. Them losing Gatens is bigger to them than us losing White IMO.

Will they be tough at home, ya maybe. But I still think they are at least a year away from going to the tourney, and we by far have the better team than them this year. I'd rather have Percy than Aaron White, rather have Clyburn than Basabe, rather have Korie than Gessel. Rather have Babb than Marble and I'd rather have Ejim than what ever other goofy white guy they throw out there for a starter. Then we got Niang I'd rather have as a young bigman than Woodbury, Magee as a 6th man, Booker, who am I forgetting. I'm failing to see anywhere where they are better than us.

Point guard no doubt I would take a veteran in Korie... The two spot, I take that as a toss up... Babb is a great defender but marble is a good defender with a much better all around game. The 3 spot I will take Clyburn... I will say this though, I expect white to be a very good player, this is just saying I expect Clyburn to be better. 4 I will probably have a toss up. Basabe is another player I think is going to be really good. 5 is also a toss up. Idk what to expect from Percy or booker nor to I know what to expect from one of the top players in this past class. The bench... I know we have a good bench with Mcgee, Niang, Booker or Percy. I should be decent too in that sense, but maybe not as deep. I just don't get the complete confidence in beating Iowa though... Is it because they have been so bad so long we continue to see us as the superior team? Maybe. But Fran has that program going in the right direction and this team is one that could have a breakthrough season. I expect them to be a bubble team this year and even better the next. Personally I am excited for this rival to come back!

 

[cyclones2004]

30+ wins or bust

 

[peteypie]

We've lost to worse Iowa teams at Carver. If it was at Hilton it would be a non-issue. I specifically mentioned that getting them early was a plus. It's not a love-fest to say that a team will be improved.

I think they are a bubble team and playing any team capable of making post season play makes me nervous on the road.

Right, and I never said that Iowa wont be a tough game. Take us beating Baylor last year. They had more talent, but we were better coached and at home. All I'm saying is that we are still superior to Iowa talent wise. By next year that gap may close a little more, but right now we are a better team than them. Does that mean we can't lose to them? No. We lost to Drake last year for gods sake. Anything can happen.

 

[VeloClone]

we consistently hit the three. we will win alot of games. the games we lost last year we shot the 3 poorly if i remember correctly

Let's look at that. Here is what ISU shot from 3 in their 11 loses:
Drake 31.6%
UNI 37.5%
Mich 22.2%
MU 23.8%
KU 32.1%
UT 23.8%
OSU 38.1%
BU 30.8%
MU 38.7%
UT 20.0%
UK 13.6%

ISU averaged 37.3% so they shot worse than their average in 8 of their losses and shot no more than a percentage point and a half over their average in the other 3 loses. They shot less than 30% in 5 (almost half) of their losses.

So I think you are all wet.

 

[CyJack13]

They also lost the guy that won them a lot of game in Gatens. Them losing Gatens is bigger to them than us losing White IMO.

Will they be tough at home, ya maybe. But I still think they are at least a year away from going to the tourney, and we by far have the better team than them this year. I'd rather have Percy than Aaron White, rather have Clyburn than Basabe, rather have Korie than Gessel. Rather have Babb than Marble and I'd rather have Ejim than what ever other goofy white guy they throw out there for a starter. Then we got Niang I'd rather have as a young bigman than Woodbury, Magee as a 6th man, Booker, who am I forgetting. I'm failing to see anywhere where they are better than us.

I would take White over Gibson in a second, that's not even close. And I think it's too early to say on Gessel vs. Korie, but Gessel has a much high ceiling than Luscious. I'd also take McCabe over Booker.

 

[Cydkar]

I'd take Korie over Gessel this year which is all that matters. I agree on White as well. I hate McCabe so they can have him.

I'm concerned about our inside play.

 

[ChiefCy]

I think it will be very similar to last year. Stay away from the #1 seed in the tournament and who knows but I don't see a "special" season as far as number of wins go. The Big 12 will be pretty tough.

I'd bet a lot of money that we don't go undefeated in the non-conference.

agree

 

[Bobby45]

Forget about "Making a Run", I just want to make it to the NCAA tournament every year so that our Beloved MBB program can make it to the next level.

"before you can go to the next level you have to go the the ncaa tourney every year"..quoting former Coach Larry Eustacy

 

[peteypie]

I would take White over Gibson in a second, that's not even close. And I think it's too early to say on Gessel vs. Korie, but Gessel has a much high ceiling than Luscious. I'd also take McCabe over Booker.

Take your Hawk lovefest to HawkeyeNation.

I disagree with all three.

 

[CyJack13]

Take your Hawk lovefest to HawkeyeNation.

I disagree with all three.

LOL I call it rational thinking. I would be hard pressed to find anyone outside this message board that would take Gibson over White.

 

[VeloClone]

I would take White over Gibson in a second, that's not even close. And I think it's too early to say on Gessel vs. Korie, but Gessel has a much high ceiling than Luscious. I'd also take McCabe over Booker.

Is this about a kid's ceiling or about the potential for this season? I'm pretty sure that you responded to a post that was clearly talking about the teams this season. I don't care in this discussion about how good he may be as a senior, how good will he be this year as a true freshman? Do you think that he will be better than Korie this year?

 

[tyler24]

Take your Hawk lovefest to HawkeyeNation.

I disagree with all three.

Calling someone out for having a decent opinion? I call that being realistic not a hawk lover. Gessel does have a higher ceiling right now and Aaron White might have one too.

 

[peteypie]

Calling someone out for having a decent opinion? I call that being realistic not a hawk lover. Gessel does have a higher ceiling right now and Aaron White might have one too.

And I've said from the begining that Iowa is a year or two away. That hints at potential, but this is about this year. The only place Iowa may have an advantage is with White, otherwise I take our players over theirs this year at every position. So yes I'm calling them out are they truely a sqauwk fan?

 

[peteypie]

I would take White over Gibson in a second, that's not even close. And I think it's too early to say on Gessel vs. Korie, but Gessel has a much high ceiling than Luscious. I'd also take McCabe over Booker.

I think its closer than you think, remember Percy was a pretty prolific scorer with the minutes he got last year, give him double those minutes this year, he led our team in FG%. To say its not even close makes me question your fandom.

 

[tyler24]

Peteypie do you even watch Iowa Basketball at all? Or are you just a homer all the way? Because White is a damn good basketball player. Marble is a damn good player too. And comparing White to Gibson is unfair since one can play the perimeter and the other is a big guy down low who is 265. If you want to compare Gibson to Basabe that would be better but Basabe is a better all around player too. Remember a little thing called defense is taken into factor. And guess what I am a cyclone fan...not a hawk. There is just a difference between being a homer and being realistic.

 

[peteypie]

Peteypie do you even watch Iowa Basketball at all? Or are you just a homer all the way? Because White is a damn good basketball player. Marble is a damn good player too. And comparing White to Gibson is unfair since one can play the perimeter and the other is a big guy down low who is 265. If you want to compare Gibson to Basabe that would be better but Basabe is a better all around player too. Remember a little thing called defense is taken into factor. And guess what I am a cyclone fan...not a hawk. There is just a difference between being a homer and being realistic.

Yes I watch quite a few of their games. Gatens was all they had besides White. And if you are going to play the defense card, then you can not honestly say you would take Marble over Babb. Listening you you argue in favor of Iowa makes me believe you think they are more talented than ISU. Are they a team on the rise, yes. But we still have a talent advantage over them. period. They do not have many players that would start for us if any.