Can we make a big run this year?

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

An ISU MBB expectations thread turns into a hawkeyes team analysis thread. Only on CF

 

[Cyclonefan710]

Nobody is saying Iowa has more talent...you are just making it sound like we are head and shoulders better than them. You say Babb is better than Marble. Okay, that is a fair argument, but he is not way better if he is. Im sure if Marble wanted to be a lock down defender he could be a stud defender and average 9 points a game and 4 rebounds with low shooting percentages. You talk about Gibson. Well he did shoot a high percentage and appears to have a good offensive game, but where is his defense? What makes him a better player than Basabe?

Sorry you can't just choose to be a lock down defender. Marble is slow laterally and will always be a liability against quicker guards with handles. Iowas perimiter defense is going to be awful with marble at the two and white at the three. which is why they are going to be a huge disappointment to Iowa fans this year record wise.

 

[tyler24]

Sorry you can't just choose to be a lock down defender. Marble is slow laterally and will always be a liability against quicker guards with handles. Iowas perimiter defense is going to be awful with marble at the two and white at the three. which is why they are going to be a huge disappointment to Iowa fans this year record wise.

I didn't know you couldn't improve lateral quickness. Seriously use some common sense. Of course you can improve this. AKA why I said focus on defense. He is also a lanky guy. Fun fact. Longer defenders have the ability to become great defenders. So if you say you cannot choose to be a lock-down defender you are completely wrong. Hoiberg asked Babb to be that man and Babb responded by doing it. When we got Babb did people think of him as a defender? No, we thought of him as a great shooter.

 

[Cyclonefan710]

I didn't know you couldn't improve lateral quickness. Seriously use some common sense. Of course you can improve this. AKA why I said focus on defense. He is also a lanky guy. Fun fact. Longer defenders have the ability to become great defenders. So if you say you cannot choose to be a lock-down defender you are completely wrong. Hoiberg asked Babb to be that man and Babb responded by doing it. When we got Babb did people think of him as a defender? No, we thought of him as a great shooter.

Ya except Hoiberg didn't do that lol he even said in an article he didn't realize how good of a defender babb was till he got To iowa state. Meaning he came to Iowa state already being a good defender. Well of course you can developer quickness to a certain extent. I can train for sprinting my whole life but its not going to make me the fastest person in the world. You basically said in your post marble could flip a switch and go from a bad perimeter defender to an elite defender over night. And that just isn't true. Anyone can work hard and get better at something but they will always have a ceiling.

 

[SyracuseCyclone]

Iowa is a year away from being good...if ever. They don't deserve any respect right now IMO. NIT if lucky.

McCaffery is probably a little overrated at this point. His Siena teams had a lot of talent and they ran some nice sets but I don't think he is that much of a miracle worker. MAAC teams sometimes find themselves with a lot of talent...see Fairfield and Iona last year for example.

Gatens was nothing special and still had to carry the team last year instead of McCaffereys younger guys taking over.

That team blows I made a huge mistake of parlaying them seriously big against Clemson with Indiana one night last year and it bit me badly. Ohio St who might be a little overrated themselves but they will smack Frannys kids around and run them out of the building. They'll lose to ISU by DD at home. Book that.

Now the B1G was good last year but...OSU lost a ton, NW lost Shurna, Michigan are overrated, Wiscy lost JT, Purdue lost Hummel, Illinois got rid of the coach who won a national championship for no reason, MSU doesn't have the talent they did in the past, Minny is always an enigma despite the talent, and Indiana is hyped up since none of their talent has graduated/left early but the league is not that good. Iowa might be competitive enough in that league their fans think they are relevant but that team is not for real. And I think I am taking a Swopshire led Northwestern team to get their first bid ever over Iowa going dancing.

Just me though but I think most of the MVC would beat them on a neutral court.

 

[Cydkar]

And the only exaggeration there was the Woodbury one. All of the others have been expressed recently in this thread by our own fan base. I just don't get it.

So you admit to exaggerating. Like I said ..

 

[acgclone]

This year I like our matchups versus Iowa.

Korie > Gessel
Babb > Marble
Clyburn > White
Ejim > Basabe
Percy > Woodbury

They had some depth but I like ours better. I think we will be able to match up defensively better than they are able to match up with us when we had the ball.

 

[peteypie]

This year I like our matchups versus Iowa.

Korie > Gessel
Babb > Marble
Clyburn > White
Ejim > Basabe
Percy > Woodbury

They had some depth but I like ours better. I think we will be able to match up defensively better than they are able to match up with us when we had the ball.

Pretty much what I was saying when I got jumped on by our own fan base because Iowa was more talented than us at some positions. Watch what you say, there are some tavern clones here.

 

[peteypie]

So you admit to exaggerating. Like I said ..

Sorry, I didn't think the pirate was needed, but apparently it was. I will simplify it for you next time. Woodbury is awesome, and first team all big 10 as a frosh!err:err:err:

 

[peteypie]

Nobody is saying Iowa has more talent...you are just making it sound like we are head and shoulders better than them. You say Babb is better than Marble. Okay, that is a fair argument, but he is not way better if he is. Im sure if Marble wanted to be a lock down defender he could be a stud defender and average 9 points a game and 4 rebounds with low shooting percentages. You talk about Gibson. Well he did shoot a high percentage and appears to have a good offensive game, but where is his defense? What makes him a better player than Basabe?

So Marble can improve his defense, but Babb can't improve his offense. I would think it would be easier to improve on offense, especially since we saw glimpses of what Babb could do on offense last year. Seriously, quit pretending to be a clone fan. There is no way any true clone fan would take Marble over Babb for one year.

 

[peteypie]

And honestly, the more I think about matchups and their lack of athleticism, the more I see this game could turn into us running Iowa out of their own gym in a blow out. Call it kool-aid, call it what you want to call it, but I just do not see them matching up with us well, we have more talent and athleticism period.

 

[peteypie]

I would take marble and white as starters on our team until babb finds his stroke or ejim shoots it a bit better from deep. I do acknowledge that those guys don't play d at a high level,

I would take the Defense our guys provide versus any offense that those two might give us any day. But that's just me. I value Babb holding the other teams best player 10 points under his average versus letting up a couple of points more than their average and getting 4 more points than Babb would on offense. I'm no mathematician, but I think it's fairly obvious which one helps the team more.

 

[peteypie]

Nobody is saying Iowa has more talent...you are just making it sound like we are head and shoulders better than them. You say Babb is better than Marble. Okay, that is a fair argument, but he is not way better if he is. Im sure if Marble wanted to be a lock down defender he could be a stud defender and average 9 points a game and 4 rebounds with low shooting percentages. You talk about Gibson. Well he did shoot a high percentage and appears to have a good offensive game, but where is his defense? What makes him a better player than Basabe?

I would take White over Gibson in a second, that's not even close. And I think it's too early to say on Gessel vs. Korie, but Gessel has a much high ceiling than Luscious. I'd also take McCabe over Booker.

Actually, I think that is precisely what you and others are saying, otherwise I wouldn't be arguing. I never said Iowa couldn't beat us. I said we have more talent at every position and are superior talent wise and I got jumped on.

 

[ISUFan22]

Not sure why people are fighting and completely puzzled why beating Iowa would be such a hot topic. IMO, we've passed them by quite well...it should be expected.

I have no clue what to expect this season - much like the start of last season. Will be tough to replicate the success from last year - but the potential is there.

It will be exciting regardless...can't wait!

 

[CanadaClone]

I think we can! Go Clones! I'll be watching any game I can! (Probley only online, however)

 

[Cyclonefan710]

I would take the Defense our guys provide versus any offense that those two might give us any day. But that's just me. I value Babb holding the other teams best player 10 points under his average versus letting up a couple of points more than their average and getting 4 more points than Babb would on offense. I'm no mathematician, but I think it's fairly obvious which one helps the team more.

some people are worked up because supposed cyclone fans hijacked the thread raving about Iowa and that we're apparently out matched at every position exept for maybe clyburn. Sorry but that irks me the wrong way. Fred doing a great job and has isu in a better position especially for this year than Iowa. I don't need to read a thread about this season only to see posters talking up Iowa and downplaying Iowa state.

 

[bozclone]

With the players we have this year, I have to believe we will extend our defense and use a lot more full court pressure. Korie, Tyrus, Babb, Will, Long, and Melvin should all be superior on the ball defenders. We could really be relentless with our pressure with the number of good defenders and overall quickness we have at the 1,2,and 3. I think this will make us a very tough matchup for many teams including Iowa.

 

[Rural]

Nobody is saying Iowa has more talent...you are just making it sound like we are head and shoulders better than them. You say Babb is better than Marble. Okay, that is a fair argument, but he is not way better if he is. Im sure if Marble wanted to be a lock down defender he could be a stud defender and average 9 points a game and 4 rebounds with low shooting percentages. You talk about Gibson. Well he did shoot a high percentage and appears to have a good offensive game, but where is his defense? What makes him a better player than Basabe?

Not going to happen, he's slower than Aunt Millie.

 

[Rural]

Peteypie do you even watch Iowa Basketball at all? Or are you just a homer all the way? Because White is a damn good basketball player. Marble is a damn good player too. And comparing White to Gibson is unfair since one can play the perimeter and the other is a big guy down low who is 265. If you want to compare Gibson to Basabe that would be better but Basabe is a better all around player too. Remember a little thing called defense is taken into factor. And guess what I am a cyclone fan...not a hawk. There is just a difference between being a homer and being realistic.

Basabe's not very good at all, Percy ought to hang it up if he's got that for a ceiling.

 

[acgclone]

I'm not sure why any college basketball fan would think that Gessel will be ahead of Korie this year. This will be a mismatch.