Current EV owners poll

[BoomerClone]

So what we’ve decided is people can’t read.

I just want to say as a defense to myself, I can read but can’t comprehend. Anyway, I have nothing against EVs. I wish I had one because my work lets EV drivers travel to and from work for free due to free use of charges in the lot. I asked HR when they would stop discriminating against people and install free gas pumps as well but that didn’t go over well. The only other issue I have with EVs is that people preach they are so much more friendly to the environment. They’re not, we are just kicking the can down the road.

 

[VTXCyRyD]

So, did all of you EV owners get some rebates or tax incentives? Are there any still in effect?

No, I bought a used one and it didn't qualify.

 

[VeloClone]

I actually live near a fuel cell hydrogen station, pretty sure CA and SoCall specifically are only place they exist and they aren't common here even. When I rarely see someone using it, it'll most often be some sort of industrial vehicle.

I remember reading years ago about the U of MN Morris's wind turbine slated to produce hydrogen with the idea of using it in fuel cells. I just read up on it and apparently they switched gears because they are using the power to produce nitrogen and hydrogen to make ammonia for fertilzer purposes. So no hydrogen fuel cell fueling there.

Wind to Hydrogen | West Central Research and Outreach Center

The West Central Research and Outreach Center (WCROC) project team has a novel approach to address energy consumed in nitrogen fertilizer production. WCROC is operating a unique pilot plant which uses wind energy to produce nitrogen fertilizer (anhydrous ammonia). The team is evaluating the...

wcroc.cfans.umn.edu

 

[TitanClone]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm so annoyed when I have to sit around and wait for my phone to charge when I leave my house./

Ding ding ding, it's such a misinformed argument

 

[nfrine]

I hit an Eskimo with my electric car the other day.
That’s not good. Were they hurt?
No, don’t worry. Everything was fine. He was totally insulated.

“What does a person with diarrhea and an electric car owner have in common? They both hope they’ll make it home!”

 

[RagingCloner]

Would like some opinions/thoughts from current EV owners here. I am an employee of a Ford dealer, and yesterday Ford rolled out an extremely aggressive lease for the Lightning if you are a current dealer employee. I have done some cost comparing based on what my ownership cost is now/what it will be and obviously there is some savings there. However I drive 100 miles round trip to work every day.

Any input from current EV'ers?

 

[HFCS]

No, I bought a used one and it didn't qualify.

Or you could be too rich to qualify for the used credit because we are all rich here on CF

 

[besserheimerphat]

It also doesn't help EV pricing when Ford comes out and says that they lost 4.7 billion on their EV programs in 2023. Ford also stated that dealers needed to enroll into the EV "program" to sell/service/warranty future inventory, essentially giving franchise dealers an ultimatum

Dealers have to get their techs trained on all the vehicles they plan to service. I used to own a Dodge Stratus R/T. It was basically a Mitsubishi Eclipse, using their power train. I needed the harmonic balancer replaced and the local Dodge dealership wouldn't service it because nobody there was trained on that engine.

I work for the company that owns Kenworth and Peterbilt. We have special training for BEVs that dealers have to take before they are certified to work on the vehicles. But dealerships are independent businesses, so they have some wiggle room on deciding what they will or won't service. We can't force them to buy all the special service tools we make for example.

Just because the dealership has a sign for your brand doesn't mean they can actually service your car.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I don't blame dealerships being anti EV. I assume my local Kia dealership makes pretty good profit on my $80 oil changes, $50 in cabin air filter changes, $30 air filter changes, $100 fuel system cleaning, etc. I also assume that when I sit there for two hours and wait for them to complete a recall, they are getting paid by Kia.

They get paid "book time" - a predetermined amount based on how long the OEM decides the job should take. The OEM doesn't just say "tell us how long it took and we'll pay you whatever." But the OEM does pay for all recalls and anything they warranty.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I think it’s because hybrid and phev can get grouped in on EV. Hybrid almost never makes sense to group. PHEV has some aspects that can replicate EV experience like suddenly certain people only need to get gas 5 times a year but another person with same model might never plug it in.

Also hydrogen fuel cell (FCEV), where hydrogen is used to generate the electricity that powers the motors with excess stored in a battery pack. You never charge the battery, you refill the hydrogen tanks.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles

afdc.energy.gov

 

[besserheimerphat]

I actually live near a fuel cell hydrogen station, pretty sure CA and SoCall specifically are only place they exist and they aren't common here even. When I rarely see someone using it, it'll most often be some sort of industrial vehicle.

We've got an FCEV project that is a drayage truck, meaning it returns to the same hub every night. Much easier to set up a hydrogen fueling station for a single fleet that covers a limited area than build out a nationwide network.

PACCAR and Toyota Expand Hydrogen Fuel Cell Truck Collaboration to Include Commercialization

www.paccar.com

One application CA is really targeting is port drayage - the trucks that move shipping containers around within the confines of the port. Most of these trucks are 30+ years old and are in poor condition, belching out awful emissions.

 

[IcSyU]

Would like some opinions/thoughts from current EV owners here. I am an employee of a Ford dealer, and yesterday Ford rolled out an extremely aggressive lease for the Lightning if you are a current dealer employee. I have done some cost comparing based on what my ownership cost is now/what it will be and obviously there is some savings there. However I drive 100 miles round trip to work every day.

Any input from current EV'ers?

I would have zero concerns even in the middle of winter with that strictly based on the commute.

Do you do any trips regularly which would require charging? Does the route have EV chargers? Do you have access to an ICE vehicle that would work in a pinch?

Do you have easy home charging access? Driving that much I would want the Level 2 instead of Level 1 charging.

I don't know if they still have it but with ours Ford paid for the first 250 kwh of charging as long as the charger was part of the Ford network.

 

[do4CY]

Would like some opinions/thoughts from current EV owners here. I am an employee of a Ford dealer, and yesterday Ford rolled out an extremely aggressive lease for the Lightning if you are a current dealer employee. I have done some cost comparing based on what my ownership cost is now/what it will be and obviously there is some savings there. However I drive 100 miles round trip to work every day.

Any input from current EV'ers?

I have a standard range lightning and I have averaged around 80 miles/day. I have gone about 180 miles on a charge with no problems. If you have a way to charge it will be your biggest obstacle. You would need a level 2 charger. The dealer I got mine from let's their employees charge at work.

 

[cyclonemagic]

My wife still hasn't figured out the concept of charging her phone while sleeping and it's always dead. No way she'll be getting a BEV anytime soon.

My wife must be related to your wife.

 

[RagingCloner]

I would have zero concerns even in the middle of winter with that strictly based on the commute.

Do you do any trips regularly which would require charging? Does the route have EV chargers? Do you have access to an ICE vehicle that would work in a pinch?

Do you have easy home charging access? Driving that much I would want the Level 2 instead of Level 1 charging.

I don't know if they still have it but with ours Ford paid for the first 250 kwh of charging as long as the charger was part of the Ford network.

The program is for 2023 lightnings so I would get the charge cable free, and just need to install it in my home. I would have access to charging it at work

 

[RagingCloner]

I have a standard range lightning and I have averaged around 80 miles/day. I have gone about 180 miles on a charge with no problems. If you have a way to charge it will be your biggest obstacle. You would need a level 2 charger. The dealer I got mine from let's their employees charge at work.

I also have the perk of charging it at work!

 

[IcSyU]

The program is for 2023 lightnings so I would get the charge cable free, and just need to install it in my home. I would have access to charging it at work

The cable will come with both level 1 and 2 plug ins. I would want the level 2 if I were you because the Lightning I think has a 125 kwh pack. The general rule of thumb is 1 kwh per hour using a 110 outlet. I get about 7 kwh with my home level 2 charger (uses 14-50 which is a typical dryer plug).

Edit: Looked it up...standard range is 98 kwh battery. Extended range is 131 kwh battery.

 

[mramseyISU]

The program is for 2023 lightnings so I would get the charge cable free, and just need to install it in my home. I would have access to charging it at work

That sounds like a no brainer to me if you're getting free charging at work. Take your fuel bill and it goes to nearly zero I'm sure there will be a road trip here and there where you have to pay to charge so it won't be zero. I would also spend a little bit to get a 240 outlet in your garage just to be on the safe side. 110V is pretty worthless with the Lightning though, you'll get about 1 mile of range per hour of being plugged in with that.

 

[HFCS]

The cable will come with both level 1 and 2 plug ins. I would want the level 2 if I were you because the Lightning I think has a 125 kwh pack. The general rule of thumb is 1 kwh per hour using a 110 outlet. I get about 7 kwh with my home level 2 charger (uses 14-50 which is a typical dryer plug).

Edit: Looked it up...standard range is 98 kwh battery. Extended range is 131 kwh battery.

I have a 73 kwh pack. I charged for 12 hours last night on 110v and got 16% so you're almost exactly correct for my most recent real world use (16.4% if i was getting 1kwh per hour).

Since I mostly work from home I could charge all day and get over 30% a day on 110v but I don't need to so I usually charge at night so far with cheaper electric rate, also works for my AC because I don't mind the house being warm in day but like cooler to sleep. I have a $500 local credit to install a charger but I'm thinking the project might be $2-3000ish because everything is expensive here, not sure I'm going to do it unless my life changes where I go from driving 30 miles a day up to over 80 miles a day or if I found some kind of credit greater than $500.

 

[IcSyU]

I have a 73 kwh pack. I charged for 12 hours last night on 110v and got 16% so you're almost exactly correct for my most recent real world use (16.4% if i was getting 1kwh per hour).

Since I mostly work from home I could charge all day and get over 30% a day on 110v but I don't need to so I usually charge at night so far with cheaper electric rate, also works for my AC because I don't mind the house being warm in day but like cooler to sleep. I have a $500 local credit to install a charger but I'm thinking the project might be $2-3000ish because everything is expensive here, not sure I'm going to do it unless my life changes where I go from driving 30 miles a day up to over 80 miles a day or if I found some kind of credit greater than $500.

Uncle Sam will kick in another $300.