Do we need to worry about Rhoads leaving anytime soon?
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Rhoads goes to Arkansas.
Then, in an almost unbelievable twist of fate, Wisconsin fires Barry Alvarez due to Bielema's poor performance and inability to fire Bielema, because Bret barricades himself in his office with a case of Keystone Light. Jamie Pollard is hired for the UW job. Meanwhile, Bruce Van De Velde inherits a massive sum of money and uses it to bribe Steve Leath into hiring him as the Iowa State AD once again.
Down south, Auburn has a terrible season and Gene Chizik is let go in favor of Gus Malzahn. Van De Velde gives the Chiz a phone call and sets up a surprise event in Hilton for all Iowa State fans to unveil the new coach.
Chizik runs onto the stage with a cardinal and gold "I'm back, b*****s!" banner hanging behind him.
Iowa State then goes on to win the next national championship on the talents of a Heisman Trophy-winning mobile quarterback whose recruitment is highly questioned. Chizik becomes the most popular coach in Cyclone history.
Then, in an almost unbelievable twist of fate, Wisconsin fires Barry Alvarez due to Bielema's poor performance and inability to fire Bielema, because Bret barricades himself in his office with a case of Keystone Light. Jamie Pollard is hired for the UW job. Meanwhile, Bruce Van De Velde inherits a massive sum of money and uses it to bribe Steve Leath into hiring him as the Iowa State AD once again.
Down south, Auburn has a terrible season and Gene Chizik is let go in favor of Gus Malzahn. Van De Velde gives the Chiz a phone call and sets up a surprise event in Hilton for all Iowa State fans to unveil the new coach.
Chizik runs onto the stage with a cardinal and gold "I'm back, b*****s!" banner hanging behind him.
Iowa State then goes on to win the next national championship on the talents of a Heisman Trophy-winning mobile quarterback whose recruitment is highly questioned. Chizik becomes the most popular coach in Cyclone history.
“If I retire at Iowa State, I will be a very, very happy man,†Rhoads said. “If it happened, I’d be thrilled to death. Is it probably going to happen? I would just doubt it. That’s a long time to complete.â€
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“People have described this (Iowa State) as a dream job and there is no other place I’d like to be,†Rhoads said. “I’ve never said those words.
“Is this a dream job? Yeah, because it’s a head football coaching job at the BCS level in my home state."
Open to a lot of interpretation, but does it really need to be interpreted and dissected? We are doing well, enjoy it. Live in the present, not the past, or the future.
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“People have described this (Iowa State) as a dream job and there is no other place I’d like to be,†Rhoads said. “I’ve never said those words.
“Is this a dream job? Yeah, because it’s a head football coaching job at the BCS level in my home state."
Open to a lot of interpretation, but does it really need to be interpreted and dissected? We are doing well, enjoy it. Live in the present, not the past, or the future.
It's a loaded question. If he is still at Iowa State in 20 years then the fans are still happy that he is here and whatever he's doing on the field. That could be 7-5 seasons with some 8,9,10's. There is a scenario though where he raises our "ceiling" for a few years and then goes .500 for a few years and the fans start getting restless. That could be in 10 years. 13 years in. Sound familiar. It's not going to be easy to stay for 20-30 years and have everyone kissing his butt and he knows that. So he answered the question exactly how it should have been answered in 2012 big time college football.
He is building something special here and has family that lives very close. His kids are still in school and I would assume he doesn't want to pull them out of schools they love. All this for a high risk paycheck? Doesn't sound like the CPR we know and love. Besides, I trust that JP will do what it takes to keep him.
The reason why we end up dwelling on this **** is because guys like UNIGuy, Clones21, and others who are insecure in their fanhood just can't get it through their heads that a guy who grew up 20 minutes from campus could actually be satisfied and happy making a career of coaching at ISU. They have it stuck in their minds that just because a lot of coaches (including Chizik) are looking for the bigger and better payday, that ALL coaches are looking for the bigger and better payday. Rhoads, at least until this point, has proven he's not that kind of guy. With what he's done over the last 3 years he probably could have already moved on if he wanted to - yet he's still here.
And God forbid that Rhoads does decide to move on - he's forced so much national spotlight on ISU with winning games that he's not supposed to win, proving that it is possible to win here, that he's not irreplaceable. Decent coaches will want to coach here.
I'm skeptical. I think I heard something like this from another fan base right before Ron Prince was hired.
K State was having unprecedented, sustained success under Snyder and they didn't have everyone beating down their door when he decided to retire.
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Chizik's favourite statement was he couldn't win with the talents in Ames. CPR has proven otherwise: yes, we haven't done things consistently, but we're on the right track.
Snyder's last 2 seasons before he retired were horrible. You add the fact that he liked to sign JUCO players and turn out the players didn't pan out, it literally left the prospective coach without anyone exceptional to work with. This could scare a lot of prospective coaches
I think by the time the OSU job comes open, Rhodes will have built a winner at ISU and be locked in for a long time, or he will be in the SEC. Its likely that Meyer isn't at OSU for very long because we all know he likes to jump around a little bit, but he'll be there for likely 5 years or more. In that time, Rhodes should have ISU in a better position than it is now. If Pollard gives him the money, he should stay, otherwise he's SEC bound.
Chizik is proving he is a terrible coach this year. He can't win with 4 and 5 star talent. How in the world was he supposed to win with 3 star talent?
Well, in Chizik's "defense" (for a lack of a better term), when he was hired on here he said he was a "CEO" type of coach. He was going to rely heavily on his assistants to do a lot of the coaching for him and he wasn't going to stand in their way. That type of coaching works great - if you bring on great assistants. Chizik brought in his best friends to coach here based on a 20+ year old vow - and the results were disastrous. The reason why they won the national championship a couple of years back was because Gus Malzahn was the brains behind that operation, and everyone not wearing navy and orange knows that (but I think they're beginning to realize it). It's just further proof that unless Chizik has capable coaches in his charge he's incapable of winning.
Iirc I thought Earl Bruce told CPR that leaving Ames was not the smartest thing he did. Leaving while program was moving and had two classes redshirted.
Wow, just wow...this thread is proving to me that you can learn a lot about a poster based on how they respond to this question/discussion. Why is it so difficult to believe that an Iowan has character and wants to coach in the state, and somehow it is naive to think he will stay?
Arkansas? Really? Texas? Are you even thinking? Just because those programs are currently larger than ours? Because those programs have more tradition than we do? (although Arkansas doesn't really hold up to Texas, so that I don't even get at all) We have a special coach that wants to build a championship program right here. Why is that so hard to fathom? Look at all the other small programs that have done it. It isn't every coaches dream to go to one of these larger schools...sure it is for a lot of them and probably a reason they got into coaching in the first place...but not all of them. They may want him, but that doesnt mean that he wants them.
Look at where Rhoads has been...he was a DC at Pitt for 8 seasons...that is already 4 more seasons than he has been here and that was just a DC position. Then he tried to come here from Pitt as our head coach before the Chiz mistake. I'm sure he took the Auburn DC job after that to move even closer to becoming a head coach, and I'm willing to bet that move came from some helpful advice he received during the head coach interview process (remember he turned the Auburn job down once before). One would think that at the minimum we have at least 4 more seasons if we will accept him. Also, he has signed a 10 year contract, which is a pretty long contract commitment for coaches these days especially at this point in time.
I would even go so far as to say that I'm not so sure if he was currently the head coach at another school right now (let's say Pitt for the sake of a realistic argument) and the shoe was on the other foot and we needed a coach, that we wouldn't be able to get him from Pitt at this juncture. Maybe if he was coaching elsewhere those fans would need to worry at this time, but I find it hard to believe that he would rather be at any school other than ISU in the near future and on down the line. Just because ESPN thinks Rhoads wants to leave Ames, it doesn't mean he is leaving. And remember, tradition isn't made overnight, but because of that it doesn't mean that it can't be made at all.
The only program I could see Rhoads potentially going to would be Ohio State. He has a (very short) history with them and he seems to me to be more of a great lakes/midwestern kind of guy. But, that job is taken for the foreseeable future...people may not remember that Urban Meyer is from Ohio. The Ohio State job to Meyer is like the Iowa State job to Rhoads. Meyer will be there for 10+ seasons if he does well and Buckeye fans will have him (Tressel was set to be there well beyond his 10 years until he did something stupid), and after that I am sure he retires. And going back to my statement about tradition, take a look at Ohio State football tradition sometime...you'll see how one coach (in modern history) pretty much turned OSU into what it is today.
Earle Bruce always said that the biggest mistake he made was not staying at Iowa State. I will proudly end my 2000th post with that.
Arkansas? Really? Texas? Are you even thinking? Just because those programs are currently larger than ours? Because those programs have more tradition than we do? (although Arkansas doesn't really hold up to Texas, so that I don't even get at all) We have a special coach that wants to build a championship program right here. Why is that so hard to fathom? Look at all the other small programs that have done it. It isn't every coaches dream to go to one of these larger schools...sure it is for a lot of them and probably a reason they got into coaching in the first place...but not all of them. They may want him, but that doesnt mean that he wants them.
Look at where Rhoads has been...he was a DC at Pitt for 8 seasons...that is already 4 more seasons than he has been here and that was just a DC position. Then he tried to come here from Pitt as our head coach before the Chiz mistake. I'm sure he took the Auburn DC job after that to move even closer to becoming a head coach, and I'm willing to bet that move came from some helpful advice he received during the head coach interview process (remember he turned the Auburn job down once before). One would think that at the minimum we have at least 4 more seasons if we will accept him. Also, he has signed a 10 year contract, which is a pretty long contract commitment for coaches these days especially at this point in time.
I would even go so far as to say that I'm not so sure if he was currently the head coach at another school right now (let's say Pitt for the sake of a realistic argument) and the shoe was on the other foot and we needed a coach, that we wouldn't be able to get him from Pitt at this juncture. Maybe if he was coaching elsewhere those fans would need to worry at this time, but I find it hard to believe that he would rather be at any school other than ISU in the near future and on down the line. Just because ESPN thinks Rhoads wants to leave Ames, it doesn't mean he is leaving. And remember, tradition isn't made overnight, but because of that it doesn't mean that it can't be made at all.
The only program I could see Rhoads potentially going to would be Ohio State. He has a (very short) history with them and he seems to me to be more of a great lakes/midwestern kind of guy. But, that job is taken for the foreseeable future...people may not remember that Urban Meyer is from Ohio. The Ohio State job to Meyer is like the Iowa State job to Rhoads. Meyer will be there for 10+ seasons if he does well and Buckeye fans will have him (Tressel was set to be there well beyond his 10 years until he did something stupid), and after that I am sure he retires. And going back to my statement about tradition, take a look at Ohio State football tradition sometime...you'll see how one coach (in modern history) pretty much turned OSU into what it is today.
Earle Bruce always said that the biggest mistake he made was not staying at Iowa State. I will proudly end my 2000th post with that.
I have said it before and I will say it again. CPR will not leave Ames as long as we don't plateau. What I mean is that if we can only get to winning 8-9 games per year and can't quite compete for the conference title due to things out of his control, then I think he would leave. I don't think that will be the case. I think we can get to the point where we can recruit equally with West Virginia and our fanbase, I think, has reacted the way Rhoads wanted to see them react. See, he has challenged us numerous times and we have answered. That's what he wants to see along with wins. If we were to win a Big 12 championship within the next 5 years, I don't see him leaving ever. So, I think he could leave but it won't simply be because he can find more money or tradition. FWIW, I don't think it's a given he overachieves at a place like TX.
