Down goes #4 KU

Kansas is still formidable, MSU probably has been underrated in most preseason analyses.

For direct-RPI/SOS, it would've helped Iowa State if Kansas had won that game. Not a major difference in a 31-game regular season.
 
I loathe the Big 10 but Valentine and Maryland's Trimble are amazing players
 
We need to win our games.....we control that...we could have been reg season champs last year without a couple dumb losses. I like CSPs saying "win the day"
 
You realize that we will end up not moving up as much as we should because we're Iowa state and then everyone will be po'd?
 
This could be the year. Big XII, NC, you name it. Not that I think ISU is the best team in the nation, but after watching a lot of BBall all ready there are no dominant teams. The field is weak. ISU has a lot of veteran talent. Could be a really special year.

Dude, it's the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd game of the season for just about every team. You can't say there are no dominant teams when the season just started and most teams haven't hit their potential yet. I think Diallo being ineligible has hurt Kansas more than a lot of people think, but they are still loaded and will still make it a heck of a battle even if Diallo is ineligible (my guess is he is declared eligible when we play them, then gets declared ineligible afterwards, then becomes eligible again for the last game of the season against us).
 
We need to win our games.....we control that...we could have been reg season champs last year without a couple dumb losses. I like CSPs saying "win the day"



Stay in the top ten and "the day" is won.
 
Dont get me wrong, I grinned from ear to ear when KU went down tonight. But wouldn't you rather see them undefeated? Or as unblemished as possible? A win against Mich St. then when we beat KU, it can only help us out when it comes March seeding-wise (not that we should have a problem with that)

We won't have a problem with seeding if we keep winning, so I'm cool with KU going 1-30 for all I care.
 
I might pull for KU if they were playing Iowa but could just go all neutral for that game. Otherwise I want them to lose every game they play and I want their fans to cry like babies. Good players and good coach but their fans are insufferable entitled dickheads. All of them.

No.
 
Watching those games makes me appreciate how far we have come, but also how much we have to gel as a team. We also have some growing to do. Thing is, I think we are more than capable of doing it.
 
Dude, it's the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd game of the season for just about every team. You can't say there are no dominant teams when the season just started and most teams haven't hit their potential yet. I think Diallo being ineligible has hurt Kansas more than a lot of people think, but they are still loaded and will still make it a heck of a battle even if Diallo is ineligible (my guess is he is declared eligible when we play them, then gets declared ineligible afterwards, then becomes eligible again for the last game of the season against us).

I wasn't talking about KU specifically as much as all of bball. You don't need all season to see that there are no freakishly talented teams. The fact is the recruiting class of 2015 isn't as loaded with freakish talent as classes in the past have been. This benefits a team like ISU. Reid Forgrave said on the radio this morning that this will be the year of the senior.

As for KU....**** em. They were vulnerable last year and ISU ****ed up and couldn't take care of business. They are just as vulnerable this year IMO, especially if Diallo isn't eligible. Even if he is, who knows with young big men. Maybe he's the next Embiid or maybe the next Alexander.
 
Watching KU and OU makes me think the Big XII race is going to be incredible. We have a lot of things to improve on, as do all teams this time of year, but OU looks scary good.
 
Dont get me wrong, I grinned from ear to ear when KU went down tonight. But wouldn't you rather see them undefeated? Or as unblemished as possible? A win against Mich St. then when we beat KU, it can only help us out when it comes March seeding-wise (not that we should have a problem with that)

Actually, NO. They come into conference season with that kind of record, the Big 12 conference already has the officials on high alert to keep it that way. 5 on 8 constantly, we've seen this before in this corrupt conference.

F KU. Loved that they lost. ISU is too good of a team to care what the rest of the conference is doing. ISU just needs to take care of themselves. Let everyone else burn for all I care.
 
I feel a lot better about our chances vs Kansas after watching last night. Bragg will be a solid player but without Diallo they are not dominant down low with Traylor/Lucas/Mickelson. Plus Graham started and played 38 minutes and looked like the worst player on the court
 
Watching KU and OU makes me think the Big XII race is going to be incredible. We have a lot of things to improve on, as do all teams this time of year, but OU looks scary good.

I'm not sure we watched the same Memphis game as I saw a vulnerable OU team. KU looks vulnerable as well. So does ISU. Any of those three could win it, any of them could really underperform, and any of them could catch fire and win the whole thing. But no one looks scary good right now in my opinion
 
I feel a lot better about our chances vs Kansas after watching last night. Bragg will be a solid player but without Diallo they are not dominant down low with Traylor/Lucas/Mickelson. Plus Graham started and played 38 minutes and looked like the worst player on the court

Hard to judge KU with Diallo, and you better believe they will add Diallo either soon or right before they play ISU
 
I'm not sure we watched the same Memphis game as I saw a vulnerable OU team. KU looks vulnerable as well. So does ISU. Any of those three could win it, any of them could really underperform, and any of them could catch fire and win the whole thing. But no one looks scary good right now in my opinion

Agree here, there are areas in each of our rosters where any team can be exploited.

Heck, OU should have lost to Memphis...they totally blew it down the stretch. I'll give OU some credit, had some big baskets late, but mainly due to Memphis imploding. Good road win for the Dirt Burglars. But no way they looked "scary good."
 
Watching KU and OU makes me think the Big XII race is going to be incredible. We have a lot of things to improve on, as do all teams this time of year, but OU looks scary good.

OU also slid past an unranked team same as we did
 

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