FIRE HINES

[SpokaneCY]

Do you think Fred is really that sensitive. If he was, he wouldn't go work for an organization that features an injury prone superstar. The very thing that you are convinced drove him away would keep him from taking this job. Do you know anything about Bulls Management? They are going to make JP look like a saint. And yet Hoiberg still took the job.

A can't believe the length people are going to WANT drama in our AD. I would bet there is no more drama in our athletic department than ANYWHERE else in P5. Heck, I'd say ours is significantly less. This isn't a reality show. Did hoiberg and JP always see eye to eye? Probably not. But to say that Hoiberg went to work for the freakin Bulls organization and all the baggage that job has because he couldn't stand his current boss is really making JP out to the worst man is sports. I don't buy he is the worst man in sports.

Can you imagine HATING your job so much that you took an other job that more than doubled your salary to work for long-time friends AND have to fulfill your stated career goals as well? GAWD that must have sucked!

 

[BodeClone]

Also, in words I would have thought I'd never use a few years ago, I'm kind of just ready for Fred to go away. Go do your NBA thing, leave us alone here in the little leagues, and let's all just move on.

He did the opposite 32. He is trying to leave ISU behind. He wasn't going to let this drag longterm, he wanted to get this done today (especially with the Rose stories/Dunleavy/rest of the problems on the Bulls). He made it clear 3 weeks ago he was going public if Hines published this.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Again. If that's true, that whole staff at the Trib is beyond stupid and should all be getting heat, not just Hines. Several people had to sign off on that story.

Agree.

 

[Clonefan32]

I'm sure there has been tension and grumblings within the AD. It's just like any other workplace, except you have people with even larger's egos (nearly everyone). If you wanted to write about that, fine. But it was a clearly one-sided story that sensationalized trivial events. If you're going to write about stuff like this you need to quadruple check your facts. The main headline in the media now is "ISU forces players to sleep in hotel ballroom." This obviously did not happen, and is proof that the article is terribly written (among other things), especially for something that he has been working on for months.

I totally agree here. I mean, the thing may have been vetted, he may have had sources, and everything he said may have been true. It was a story about players taking a nap in a hotel ballroom, and coaches making hundreds of thousands of dollars having to pay for a basketball ticket here or there. It's also, what, 4 months after Hoiberg left? Like I said, I got to the end of the story and thought-- this is it? Pretty paltry facts and alot of conjecture. There may have been a story there based on what he was hearing from his sources, but that doesn't mean it was a good story or a story that needed told.

 

[Clonefan32]

He did the opposite 32. He is trying to leave ISU behind. He wasn't going to let this drag longterm, he wanted to get this done today (especially with the Rose stories/Dunleavy/rest of the problems on the Bulls). He made it clear 3 weeks ago he was going public if Hines published this.

Is the version that he told Hines he would go public and refute from Pollard? We have to remember here that Pollard is a guy dealing with the pressure of a multi-million dollar stadium expansion and a football coach driving the program into the fiery depths of hell. He can't afford any more bad press.

My point remains. I get Fred needed to respond, but it's ridiculous to be talking about him. Go do your thing in Chicago, Fred, and don't mind us small potatoes here in Ames.

 

[BBHMagic]

This is a response of the same logical form as JP.
Teacher:Why didn't you tell me Johnny was going to hit you.
JP: I knew that if I said anything to you, you wouldn't do anything about it.
Teacher:...

Yikes...like I said, shallow and simple minded.

 

[Rabbuk]

Yikes...like I said, shallow and simple minded.

Except if Jamie had said something with a public record, he could then say concretely that Hines ignored his denial of the story and published the story without clarification from JP. Instead of I'm pretty sure that he was going to post the story regardless of what I said (conjecture). and JP literally loses nothing from doing so, and doesn't sound like a 1st grader.

 

[josh4cyclones]

Also, in words I would have thought I'd never use a few years ago, I'm kind of just ready for Fred to go away. Go do your NBA thing, leave us alone here in the little leagues, and let's all just move on.

Man it isn't Fred doing all of this it is others not letting the past be the past. I agree Fred is gone and let him do his thing, this is Prohms team. It isn't fair to Fred or Prohm, the staff, and players to keep hearing of past things and Fred.

 

[BBHMagic]

Except if Jamie had said something with a public record, he could then say concretely that Hines ignored his denial of the story and published the story without clarification from JP. Instead of I'm pretty sure that he was going to post the story regardless of what I said (conjecture). and JP literally loses nothing from doing so, and doesn't sound like a 1st grader.

I don't understand how this could help Jamie's case. Especially since Hoiberg was already able to say that and Jamie knew it (this was referenced by Fred today).

Is it going to be more effective to let Hines choose what JP says in the article and then have to clean up after, or would it be more effective to suddenly have this wave of crushing debunks after the article?

 

[bosco]

Facts:

JP is stingy sob.

Fred was going to the NBA one way or the other.

Having 5 hours in Hawaii without a hotel room is not the worst thing in the world.

 

[CyclOwnd]

 

[Cyclad]

It doesn't negate them, but it should be taken in context.

The hotel thing is the best example of this. I can understand being annoyed by the issue. But what Travis implied was that the players were literally without a room for an overnight. They weren't. If they were so inclined they could have gone to the beach for those 3 hours. They could have gone to the pool for those 3 hours. They could have gone to a mall for those 3 hours. They were obviously tired and probably sore, so they didn't want to do that. It was probably annoying to not have a room to hang out in during that time. But life is full of annoyances and just because you are annoyed doesn't mean that somethign was handled completely wrong.

Fred said they did go to the pool.

 

[bosco]

Fred said they did go to the pool.

The real question is did they go to the pool of their own free will or were they forced under whip and chain?

 

[Wesley]

Anyone who has spent any time around the media wouldn't go on record in a smear article about themselves. It is dumb to do so. You don't get your side stated. You only get your words twisted to fit the narrative the author has already concluded. That is how the media works. Do you really think Hines wouldn't have put a complete unedited quote from JP in his article that he had spent "months" on that completely refuted all the points he was trying to make?

The answer is no. He wouldn't have. The right thing to do is say nothing on record and let the writer look like a jack-*** when the article comes out and the two people at the center of the ENTIRE article appear live to say it isn't at all true.

No, just some part of it was true. The motel rooms which seems minor is not being refuted by JP. He just said 14-15 rooms were going to cost $25k for five hours more. The hotel rooms sounds like it was true and not a big deal. Well, JP, that %25k sounds like a stretch. The tickets? Sounds plausible. Coaches families were given a choice and went hawaiian. Sounds plausible. 11 oe 12 sources? Sounds like more than two or three coaches. Might include transferring players.

 

[bosco]

No, just some part of it was true. The motel rooms which seems minor is not being refuted by JP. He just said 14-15 rooms were going to cost $25k for five hours more. Well, JP, that sounds like a stretch.

I would be ok with them paying 25k for an extra 5 hours so the guys had somewhere to sit to so they could listen to Drake if it meant a win against UAB.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Except if Jamie had said something with a public record, he could then say concretely that Hines ignored his denial of the story and published the story without clarification from JP. Instead of I'm pretty sure that he was going to post the story regardless of what I said (conjecture). and JP literally loses nothing from doing so, and doesn't sound like a 1st grader.

What would the point have been? He would have taken everything out of context anyway just as he did with every piece of evidence he had in his story. The NCAA trip was an option, the players had to burn time in Hawaii for 3-4 hours and the coaches had to pay taxes on tickets. Nothing there was even a story if presented in context. Pollard not going on the record doesn't clear Hines of being either disingenuous or incompetent here. Either he wanted to start this battle or he didn't do enough research. Either way, 4-5 months to do this seems not only inefficient but like a ridiculous waste of time only to burn every bridge he has here.

 

[rholtgraves]

What would the point have been? He would have taken everything out of context anyway just as he did with every piece of evidence he had in his story. The NCAA trip was an option, the players had to burn time in Hawaii for 3-4 hours and the coaches had to pay taxes on tickets. Nothing there was even a story if presented in context. Pollard not going on the record doesn't clear Hines of being either disingenuous or incompetent here. Either he wanted to start this battle or he didn't do enough research. Either way, 4-5 months to do this seems not only inefficient but like a ridiculous waste of time only to burn every bridge he has here.

Shocking that you believe Pollard

 

[rholtgraves]

Also, people are talking about disgruntled coaches. Sounds like Hines vetted the story through at least 5 people. How many disgruntled coaches, or even players, could have come out of the last 5 years? Mann is literally the only one I can think of who would have left on bad terms.

Some of the sources are probably in the ADs office

 

[SCNCY]

Some of the sources were probably donors as well. So the sources are most likely donors, AD staff, and old coaches.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

I don't trust Pollard at all. Obviously Leeth doesn't either. He needs to go.