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Trice said:
This post was #911 in the thread...seems symbolic of something, doesn't it?

In all seriousness...is there a possibility this isn't resolved by the season opener and these guys are starting? Or would they be withheld? I figured this would have all be wrapped up by now so I hadn't considered that question.
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I believe the DCI will provide adequate information for Iowa State to make an informed decision on eligibility even if there is not yet NCAA feedback. If that were the case, I see no way that Iowa State wouldn't self-impose punishments such as ineligibility until findings are returned.
 
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Jeremy said:
I believe the DCI will provide adequate information for Iowa State to make an informed decision on eligibility even if there is not yet NCAA feedback. If that were the case, I see no way that Iowa State wouldn't self-impose punishments such as ineligibility until findings are returned.
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That's be the Iowa State way.

I personally play them until you are told you can't (The Kansas way).
 
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isufbcurt said:
That's be the Iowa State way.

I personally play them until you are told you can't (The Kansas way).
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I'm guessing - purely guessing - but I think the concern would be vacating wins. If it was one player, it probably wouldn't come to something so extreme. But if it's 5 players, I could see the NCAA being jackasses. While one could make the argument no penalties should apply until the NCAA says they're ineligible, I'm guessing they'd make some BS case otherwise.
 
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Jeremy said:
I'm guessing - purely guessing - but I think the concern would be vacating wins. If it was one player, it probably wouldn't come to something so extreme. But if it's 5 players, I could see the NCAA being jackasses. While one could make the argument no penalties should apply until the NCAA says they're ineligible, I'm guessing they'd make some BS case otherwise.
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Im also guessing Campbell doesn't think those guys deserve to play the whole season anyway.
 
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Jeremy said:
I'm guessing - purely guessing - but I think the concern would be vacating wins. If it was one player, it probably wouldn't come to something so extreme. But if it's 5 players, I could see the NCAA being jackasses. While one could make the argument no penalties should apply until the NCAA says they're ineligible, I'm guessing they'd make some BS case otherwise.
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Oh I know. Personally I won't worry about "vacating" wins once the season was over.

Reggie Bush still won the Heisman whether the NCAA wants to acknowledge it or not. Once the season is over it's all semantics.
 
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isufbcurt said:
Oh I know. Personally I won't worry about "vacating" wins once the season was over.

Reggie Bush still won the Heisman whether the NCAA wants to acknowledge it or not. Once the season is over it's all semantics.
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Moreso than vacating wins, the fear would be probation or postseason ineligibility due to playing kids under investigation for NCAA infractions.

Unfortunately, a drawn-out legal/NCAA process effectively acts as a suspension, since you can’t play the kids, which would render the penalties meaningless (at least from an athletic point of view)
 
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MyNameEhJeff said:
Oh I’m not even referring to the gambling aspect of him when I refer to him with those adjectives, I’m talking about his demeanor in general throughout practice.

Deceitful/sly/crafty/scheming… you pick your favorite one, that’s how I perceive he comes across at the practices I’ve been at.
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Those are ridiculous adjectives to come up with from watching a football practice
 
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MyNameEhJeff said:
This wouldn’t surprise me if this was the case. From the 4 or 5 practices I’ve been to over the last year and a half, Dekkers doesn’t seem to have the type of leadership qualities you want in a QB. Something about him just seems deceitful, smug and arrogant, IMO.
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Oh here we go.. I'm gonna put about as much weight into this as your draft rumors. Just give it a rest, you're not some know-it-all cyclone insider.
 
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SolarGarlic said:
Stubbornness, arrogance, immaturity. Diva could fit. Jeff needs a thesaurus.
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Yeah I didn't get a 'deceitful' vibe.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lack of reception or response to feedback.
 
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Jeremy said:
Current Status and Clarifications:
  1. As of 7:25 this morning, Iowa State Compliance had not yet received the official findings report from the DCI.
    1. What is this report?
      1. The report will solidify the list of players, coaches, or assistants found in violation of a state law or regulation.
      2. The individuals included could differ from the initial list as the investigation unfolded, interviews were conducted, etc.
      3. This report will detail the extent of the violations per individual.
      4. This report should provide information regarding if charges will or will not be pursued on a case-by-case basis.
  2. Iowa State (Coaches or Compliance) have NO information on the extent of any violations or a FINAL list of individuals found to be in violation.
  3. Coaches have been barred from talking with potential subjects about any potential violations or gambling in general.
    1. If they did, they would be subject to NCAA or legal proceedings as potential witnesses or informed subjects.
    2. Furthermore, if coaches were to find out something not already known, they would be required under requirements to disclose it.
  4. Nothing is certain until the report is finalized, including the individuals.
  5. Anybody that says they know amounts bet or on what are either lying, have received it directly from the accused, or has a source in the DCI.
    1. It could not have come from any other source as of this morning.
  6. Once the DCI report is delivered...
    1. Iowa State will submit findings to the NCAA.
    2. Public disclosure may possibly occur at this point.
    3. Legal proceedings would be pursued.
    4. The NCAA will determine any infractions.
  7. It is very likely that Iowa State does not announce self-imposed or NCAA-imposed punishments for quite some time. While they could take swift, drastic actions on a case-by-case basis, that is not currently believed to be likely unless the findings are damning or cut-and-dry.
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Does this mean potential athletes thought to have gambled were never NOT allowed to be part of team activity which has been suggest?
 
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Jeremy said:
I'm guessing - purely guessing - but I think the concern would be vacating wins. If it was one player, it probably wouldn't come to something so extreme. But if it's 5 players, I could see the NCAA being jackasses. While one could make the argument no penalties should apply until the NCAA says they're ineligible, I'm guessing they'd make some BS case otherwise.
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Plus, if the NCAA imposes less than a full season suspension, best to have players miss 3 non-con games and some Big12 games vs. all Big12 games.
 
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