Gamblin…Smoke and Fire

[isufbcurt]

So from my understanding this all got started with Iowa baseball players betting on the Iowa / South Carolina WBB tournemanet game. Does this mean those baseball players are f****d?

It's Iowa so F them

 

[t-noah]

The DCI couldn't do anything about eligibility, but what the DCI does could impact ISU or NCAA enforced punishments.

The whole DCI angle is hard because to Curt's point and others' understanding of the law, there is no punishable offense so long as the players were of age. The law pertains to the casinos monitoring, not the players, assistants, or coaches betting. However, I've heard some legal viewpoints and concerns from within ISU that interpret things slightly differently, or at least leave enough of an unknown to raise legitimate concerns.

The fact that the DCI is taking so long, even though according to everything I've heard interviews have wrapped up, leaves things in bigger limbo. The majority of the interviews occurred in late May with some spilling over to the first week of June. One would assume that if it was as simple as determining who placed bets while under the legal age, it would have been done by end of May.

The summary is, Iowa State doesn't know the details but is concerned both by the length of time vs a possible report timeline they were originally given, and the fact that some of the initial names provided to them are of persons of legal age.

The DCI has information on amounts and sports bet on. So their info will determine which NCAA penalty levels are applicable for each student athlete.

Plus Iowa state laws apply in addition to NCAA rules.

I don't understand why the DCI is even involved! He should stick with his agenda and with only foreign, not domestic, issues.

DCI	Director of Central Intelligence

The CIA should stay away from college athletics altogether! They have more serious business!!


Ahem,
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DCI

 

[alarson]

I don't understand why the DCI is even involved! He should stick with his agenda and with only foreign, not domestic, issues.

DCI	Director of Central Intelligence

The CIA should stay away from college athletics altogether! They have more serious business!!


Ahem,
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DCI

As a marching band nerd, I always think of Drum Corps International when I read DCI

 

[t-noah]

As a marching band nerd, I always think of Drum Corps International when I read DCI

The DCI acronym has got to have one of longest lists of possible matches!

Of course due to my Hindu background , I immediately thought of Dental Council of India, myself.

 

[Clonehomer]

So from my understanding this all got started with Iowa baseball players betting on the Iowa / South Carolina WBB tournemanet game. Does this mean those baseball players are f****d?

Sure sounds that way doesn't it? Seems interesting to lump all betting on sports for your school in with the same penalty as influencing the outcome of games. To me, those are two very different things.

 

[clonedude]

So from my understanding this all got started with Iowa baseball players betting on the Iowa / South Carolina WBB tournemanet game. Does this mean those baseball players are f****d?

It’s baseball, nobody gives a s**t.

 

[IowaState88]

So from my understanding this all got started with Iowa baseball players betting on the Iowa / South Carolina WBB tournemanet game. Does this mean those baseball players are f****d?

One of the UIowa Baseball players (a red shirt freshman) who was an under investigation, posted a photo on Instagram captioned “Goodbye Baseball, thanks for all the great memories.”

So judging from that post the answer to your question is yes.

 

[carvers4math]

So from my understanding this all got started with Iowa baseball players betting on the Iowa / South Carolina WBB tournemanet game. Does this mean those baseball players are f****d?

If that started a wider investigation to look at all college athletes in the state, it’s just more Caitlin Clark ruining all sports in the state.

Also shouldn’t it be worse betting on sports at your own school than for example if ISU players were betting on that same game? I guess I just assumed most of this was betting on pro sports and not Caitlin Clark.

 

[Pat]

That pertains to the gambling business itself. They have to have controls in place to prevent the stuff listed there.

There is no specific Iowa Code section that pertains to those groups listed that makes it illegal for them to bet.

I’m starting to wonder if the bulk of the investigation isn’t now targeted at the controls, or lack thereof, of the sports books. Fingers crossed.

 

[isufbcurt]

I’m starting to wonder if the bulk of the investigation isn’t now targeted at the controls, or lack thereof, of the sports books. Fingers crossed.

Not sure because it appears that those controls are what identified the athletes like they should have. Now maybe they didn't identify them in a "timely" manner but they were identified.

 

[isucy86]

Sure sounds that way doesn't it? Seems interesting to lump all betting on sports for your school in with the same penalty as influencing the outcome of games. To me, those are two very different things.

Being a student athlete gives them information that might not be readily available to others.

Let's say a softball player is at physical therapy and sees the star pitcher is in the day of his start and getting his throwing arm looked at because of tightness. And then the softball player goes and places a $100 bet on their school losing and wins the bet.

End result, the degree of athlete influence doesn't matter- it's the ability to financially benefit. Afterall, casino's/sport's betting are for-profit entities.

 

[Clonehomer]

Being a student athlete gives them information that might not be readily available to others.

Let's say a softball player is at physical therapy and sees the star pitcher is in the day of his start and getting his throwing arm looked at because of tightness. And then the softball player goes and places a $100 bet on their school losing and wins the bet.

End result, the degree of athlete influence doesn't matter- it's the ability to financially benefit. Afterall, casino's/sport's betting are for-profit entities.

In the end though, that's not affecting the validity of the game being played. So why is that the problem of the NCAA? Let those for-profit entities monitor and prevent athletes from placing wagers. In the end, they're the ones harmed.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I’m starting to wonder if the bulk of the investigation isn’t now targeted at the controls, or lack thereof, of the sports books. Fingers crossed.

But the controls worked? The books aren't going to do anything that could jeopardize their licenses to operate and they followed exactly what the terms of their licenses said they had to do. The state has made it very clear that they don't want anybody with any connection to sports/athletic departments betting and I think they're absolutely justified in taking that stance.

I have a real tough time feeling sorry for SAs that, after repeatedly being told they couldn't bet on anything, bet and thought they wouldn't get caught. The books have the ability to know everything about everybody on their apps. There was no getting away with this.

 

[isucy86]

In the end though, that's not affecting the validity of the game being played. So why is that the problem of the NCAA? Let those for-profit entities monitor and prevent athletes from placing wagers. In the end, they're the ones harmed.

Aren't other gamblers harmed because they don't have inside information? Isn't that the reason the NFL issues injury reports and are aggressive about enforcing. How about the stock market- using your logic then a CEO trading based on insider information is OK.

Betting as a student athlete isn't a difficult or ambiguous rule. "Don't do it" has always been the rule. And it is clearly publicized in athlete and athletic department employee education programs and part of the certification tests. Being a student athlete is a privilege, it shouldn't be hard to follow basic rules.

Enough of my rant. I like what the NCAA did with the new rules on gambling. There is some leniency on betting pro sports and there are specific guidelines based on college/pro sports betting and amounts.

 

[isufbcurt]

Aren't other gamblers harmed because they don't have inside information? Isn't that the reason the NFL issues injury reports and are aggressive about enforcing. How about the stock market- using your logic then a CEO trading based on insider information is OK.

Betting as a student athlete isn't a difficult or ambiguous rule. "Don't do it" has always been the rule. And it is clearly publicized in athlete and athletic department employee education programs and part of the certification tests. Being a student athlete is a privilege, it shouldn't be hard to follow basic rules.

Enough of my rant. I like what the NCAA did with the new rules on gambling. There is some leniency on betting pro sports and there are specific guidelines based on college/pro sports betting and amounts.

I can get inside information by watching practice, hell most of us can get it from this message board.

 

[isucy86]

I can get inside information by watching practice, hell most of us can get it from this message board.

Sometimes, some people are held to a higher standard for the privileges they receive.

But it's like tax law. The rules are there. If there is grey area you have to decide is it worth it to stretch the rules. Risk vs. Reward.

In this case the rules are clear, unless a kid is making $50k plus profit betting, pretty stupid to put their scholarship on the line.

 

[Turn2]

It’s HOCKEYE baseball, nobody gives a s**t.

FIFY, and easy there, big fella.

 

[clonedude]

FIFY, and easy there, big fella.

You’re right, I shouldn’t say ‘nobody’. 99% of people don’t give a s**t about baseball.

 

[Clonehomer]

Aren't other gamblers harmed because they don't have inside information? Isn't that the reason the NFL issues injury reports and are aggressive about enforcing. How about the stock market- using your logic then a CEO trading based on insider information is OK.

Betting as a student athlete isn't a difficult or ambiguous rule. "Don't do it" has always been the rule. And it is clearly publicized in athlete and athletic department employee education programs and part of the certification tests. Being a student athlete is a privilege, it shouldn't be hard to follow basic rules.

Enough of my rant. I like what the NCAA did with the new rules on gambling. There is some leniency on betting pro sports and there are specific guidelines based on college/pro sports betting and amounts.

I don't know that any athletes' bet would be enough to move a line that might affect other gamblers. Where as a CEO involved with insider trading sure does have the ability to move enough stock to adjust the price and affect others.

I get the blanket rule. I just had issues with the levels of penalties. To have a football player shaving points on a game they are involved with shouldn't the the same punishment as that same football player putting a wager on a MBB game. They are completely different levels of problem. And unless there was proof of insider information that led to the bet, losing your entire eligibility because you bet on a basketball game is a pretty stiff penalty.

 

[CycloneFan97]

I find it hard to believe that Iowa and Iowa State are the only schools who had student athletes gambling on sports