You honestly think Self or Barnes are REALLY all that worried about keeping McD around for that easy win on their schedule? :biglaugh: Like I said, that's the stuff conspiracy theories are made of...
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You honestly think Self or Barnes are REALLY all that worried about keeping McD around for that easy win on their schedule? :biglaugh: Like I said, that's the stuff conspiracy theories are made of...
I can't read their minds, and neither can you.
I was simply responding to your claim that coaches don't have the "time," and have "more important things to worry about." Again, taking few seconds, or a minute tops, to endorse Gmac doesn't take any "time or effort" at all.
And, the flattery makes the coaches' meetings in the summer go smoother.
If you choose to argue by that conspiracy theory and look that ridiculous in the process, that is your choice. But in the end, all the "coaches want McD to stick around for the easy win on the schedule" argument is is conspiracy theory at its most desperate.
No, it's not a conspiracy theory.
Listen to any press conference after a game. Coaches are aware of their brethren who may be in trouble. It is a fraternity. And almost every coach at some point has been at least questioned by his fanbase.
If you listen to what they say, it is the most simple statements, and cliches that they have.
It usually is at the beginning of the conference and they say "Greg does a great job here, he is a really good coach, and his teams are hard to prepare for. They really battled us tonight, and we were lucky to get the win."
Some paraphrasing of that sentence will be said about all of the coaches in the bottom of the league. Change the name to Doc, or Jeff, or Pat, it's the same thing.
It's not the easy win, it is a professional curteousy. All coaches do it. It is part of being in the fraternity that is Division 1 head basketball coaches.
I remember Greg being effusive in his praise of Porter Moser at Illinois State at post game presser. Then Porter was let go right after that.
Because of brotherhood or fraternity. but the claim it's a plot to keep poor coaches in their jobs so the other teams can win more, then that is a conspiracy theory, jdogg has nailed that.
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I just love the premise of this post. People who know basketball thing GM is a good coach and recruiter. Therefore, if you don't think he's a good coach, you don't know basketball.
Well played sir.
What does that have to do with my argument? I agree with as much as you've said.
My argument is against those that keep insisting that coaches are only saying the nice things in hopes that JP is listening and would use their statement as a credible reason as to keep him as the coach for the easy win or two on their schedule, and even more ridiculous, that Self and Barnes in particular care that much. THAT's the conspiracy theory, and it's a ridiculous one, especially if they think that the Kansas and Texas coaches think along those lines, which I can guarantee they don't because that's the symptom of taking shortcuts, and you don't get to be the head coach of places like Kansas and Texas by taking shortcuts.
Oh please, keep trying to blame the fans. That way the tough questions don't have to be answered.
Self, Barnes, Capel, Anderson, Turgeon, Drew, Ford, and Martin couldn't care less who the coach at Iowa State is, or Nebraska, or Colorado.. The Big 12 doesn't really care, either.
It is nothing more than coach speak.
I think that the people saying that stuff are mocking a situation that is beyond hopeless.
If you can't have a sense of humor about what a joke it will be to try to sell Greg McDermott to this fanbase for a 5th year, then maybe you need to step back and take a break from telling people how bad of a fan they are.
People are realistic, and see how far behind we are now and that a change is needed.. It will be even further after next year. Now you have set the new coach up to fail along with becoming completely irrelevant.
Dude, you are ******* insane. You keep posting **** that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what you are responding to. It's crazy!
Very much true. Threads like this tend to bring responses like, "Well, of course they back our coach — it's shooting fish in a barrel" (or something like that).
Maybe the opposing coaches, deep down, think it's nice to have another team to kick around year in and year out — although it might be risky, because what if your team loses to the "pushover" at some point? That's almost worse, isn't it?
If coaches are asked point-blank about a coach in their conference, are they going to ridicule his performance? What purpose would that serve? The only thing a coach could say that's semi-honest and not a "canned" response would be, "He's having a tough time."
"...utmost respect for GMAC and his ability to coach and recruit" - As evidenced by his stellar overall record at ISU, his outstanding conference winning percentage, the number of all-league players that he has recruited, the lack of attrition in the program.
"They know he is a good coach and has the ability to lead Iowa State." - Based on what exactly? The pleasant tone in his voice at press conferences?
"Expect Jamie Pollard to come out this week.... and give GMAC his full support" - I've been one of the biggest JP cheerleaders on this site. Nothing will shake my support more than support for another year or more of stagnant, boring, losing basketball. At this point ISU will simply be throwing good money after bad by continuing this coaching regime.
"Stay loyal Clones.." - Ahh, the inevitable comparison to Iowa fans. So is it incumbent upon fans to continue to attend games and spend money in a recession for an entertainment product that is clearly sub-par with no hope for improvement any time soon?
Winning and losing are both contagious. There is no one who can make a good case that ISU men's bb is about to start winning just so long as GM is allowed to stay. At this point, the best argument in his favor is that ISU can't afford to fire him. In 2-3 years when the men average around 5,000 fans in Hilton we will see the folly of that argument. Every year wasted is one too many.
I was with you through here. Fans should stay loyal to the team and the players. Heck even the coach to some disagree. Showing up to a game and cheering them on (even though you think they'll lose) is the right thing to do. If they lose em all but Hilton still has good numbers, I would expect Pollard to do what is necessary.
Pollard isn't going to base his decision on keeping/firing Mac based on fans not showing up to games. He's going to do it based on the W-L numbers.
Bingo...you rarely, if ever, hear any coach say anything bad about any other coach. In fact, it is so rare that when it does happen it becomes huge news...like when Bobby Knight talked about Calipari earlier this year...and he is not even an active coach.
Well that's nice we have found something McDermott is good at, winning over other coaches in the conference. Unfortunately that does absolutely nothing towards fixing his general inability to win basketball games.
This is not as complicated as you are making it - use you own two eyes and look at the results. Look at the outcome of games played over the last four years. Look at the recruiting results.
Personally, I don't care if other coaches have "respect for his ability to recruit". I KNOW that the players that he has recruited have not been able to win basketball games. That is a FACT. This feels like an Orwell novel- just believe what you are told, not what you can clearly see right in front of you.
I just cannot fathom how anyone with a working brain could make the argument that its getting better. Its like people are not watching the train wreck that is happening. We are going to be 3-13 in the conference with not a single decent victory this year. How in the world is that close to being over the "hump"? I'll answer that question, it is not close.
Next, how in the world can anyone think next years team is going to be better without our 2 best players? Unless Phillips is just amazing, we will not have a single scorer on our team and maybe only 2 or 3 players that would even be on a competitive big 12 roster.
Next, how in the world can anyone think next years team is going to be better without our 2 best players? Unless Phillips is just amazing, we will not have a single scorer on our team and maybe only 2 or 3 players that would even be on a competitive big 12 roster.
Ohh pleeeeease. Just because we are losing doesn't mean we have to justify it saying our homeboy is a man of integrity. That's a prerequisite for the job, hardly a measure of performance. To keep the job you must win, and win right. Losing the right way is not an option. Even the most notorious coaches- Rick Pitino, Huggy Bear etc. would instantly turn into men of incredible character if that, and not winning, was all it took to keep a multi million dollar contract.
