Help! I'm Fat - *** Official Exercise and Weight Thread ***

[2122]

The route I’m taking has led to good physicals and lipid tests, so I’m satisfied with it.

The way I see it, which is to say the way doctors I follow see it, a good lipid test is ratio of trigs/HDL < 1.5x (goal is trigs down around 60, HDL up to around 60), LDL and cholesterol of no concern.

You won't find this in a med school textbook, but the info is out there...

Triglyceride/HDL Ratio Predicts Heart Attacks, Diabetes | Hillside Family Medicine

~Dr. Gabe Mirkin's Fitness and Health e-Zine Two blood tests that are done during routine physical exams can be used to predict whether you are at increased risk for a heart attack (The Journal of Clinical Hypertension, Jan 13, 2016). It's called the triglyceride/HDL ratio, calculated by...

www.hillsidemedicine.com

"The triglycerides/HDL ratio also predicts risk for diabetes and pre-diabetes. Almost fifty percent of North American adults already have diabetes or pre-diabetes, diseases that damage every cell in your body to cause heart attacks, strokes, dementia, impotence, many cancers, blindness, deafness, and premature death. If your triglyceride/HDL ratio is above 3.75, you are at increased risk for pre-diabetes or diabetes. Check with your doctor. Since the majority of cases of diabetes are caused by a faulty lifestyle, not just by genetics, diabetes is both a preventable and curable disease with lifestyle changes. Many people with pre-diabetes and early diabetes can return to normal by changing their lifestyles long before they develop any symptoms of the disease...."

 

[Cyched]

As long as you feel good and your labs are good, keep doing what you're doing.

There are many ways to be healthy - people need to find one that is sustainable. And doctors need to realize that what might work for most healthy people may not work for those who have already put themselves in a bad spot (raises hand). Nutrition and general health isn't as well understood by doctors as people think. That doesn't mean some quack on YouTube has it all figured out either, but just because someone's doctor tells them something doesn't mean it's 100% right or the best course of action.

Honestly I wish there were a way to track labwork more regularly than once or twice a year. It would make it easier to experiment with different things for people who want to and find what works. It often takes so long to see outward symptoms - good or bad - that people can give up on good choices too quickly or make bad choices too long.

Which is essentially my point. We all have a different risk profile based on body type & genetics. What might work for someone with their unique situation might not work for another person if they have other risk factors that could be complicated by the other's diet.

We've still landed on some good general rules that people should follow. Limiting added sugar & refined carbs, processed foods, and getting your ass to the gym seems to be a nice consensus.

It's when people start talking in absolutes that I get thrown off. And your doctor might not be perfect, but still run things by them if you are making a change, or just have questions.

 

[BCClone]

At this point I’m just more concerned on eating less processed and junk food along with dropping some weight and waistline. Get those things more inline then I will focus on all the other details.

 

[BCClone]

I didn’t understand the reason to put my weights in my phone. Makes sense now. With the physical quirks that can +/- 2 lbs on weighing. It’s much better when I just punch in the weight and look at what I was 1 and 2 weeks ago that day of the week.

Also forgot the old pants deception. Figured I would have a new belt soon, but as I shed some I forgot how you naturally have your pants go higher and you actually go out a belt notch at times.

 

[deadeyededric]

My brother-in-law is all the motivation I need to stay in shape. Talk about lack of self-control. He has a horrible food addiction. Stays up till like 3am eating deep fried foods after everyone goes to bed. Type-2 diabetic, weighs over 300lbs, does kidney dialysis, losing his vision, bad circulation, and has the worst chronic diarrhea known to man. Like takes 5-6 ***** per hour. It's just ******* gross at this point. Oh and he's only 41. I have my doubts he'll see 50 but he's been warned for 30 years about his habits so I refuse to feel sorry for him. And nobody will hire him because he destroys company insurance plans.

 

[BCClone]

My brother-in-law is all the motivation I need to stay in shape. Talk about lack of self-control. He has a horrible food addiction. Stays up till like 3am eating deep fried foods after everyone goes to bed. Type-2 diabetic, weighs over 300lbs, does kidney dialysis, losing his vision, bad circulation, and has the worst chronic diarrhea known to man. Like takes 5-6 ***** per hour. It's just ******* gross at this point. Oh and he's only 41. I have my doubts he'll see 50 but he's been warned for 30 years about his habits so I refuse to feel sorry for him. And nobody will hire him because he destroys company insurance plans.

Married to sis or your wife’s bro?

 

[deadeyededric]

Married to sis or your wife’s bro?

Married to my sister. She refuses to say anything to him because it might hurt his feelings. I tried to tell her one time that it was no different than a substance abuse addiction and he was slowly killing himself but of course I was the a$$hole for saying it.

 

[BCClone]

Married to my sister.

Gotta feel bad for her though.

 

[2122]

My brother-in-law is all the motivation I need to stay in shape. Talk about lack of self-control. He has a horrible food addiction. Stays up till like 3am eating deep fried foods after everyone goes to bed. Type-2 diabetic, weighs over 300lbs, does kidney dialysis, losing his vision, bad circulation, and has the worst chronic diarrhea known to man. Like takes 5-6 ***** per hour. It's just ******* gross at this point. Oh and he's only 41. I have my doubts he'll see 50 but he's been warned for 30 years about his habits so I refuse to feel sorry for him. And nobody will hire him because he destroys company insurance plans.

Yeah, a distant cousin of mine, whom I'd never met, just died at home at like age 40. They had to do some construction work to get his body out. The sad thing for your BIL is that he may make 50, but his quality of life probably really sucks. Yeah, people warn him and encourage him, but I'd be willing to bet he doesn't understand nutrition, doesn't know what the 3 macronutrients are, doesn't know that grain is sugar, doesn't know why sugar is unhealthy, doesn't understand the role of insulin and the impact of chronically high insulin levels, doesn't know why veg oils are unhealthy. Hell, the staff at my local hospital is every bit as obese as the general population...

 

[deadeyededric]

Gotta feel bad for her though.

I do but I really don't know what to do. She isn't stupid but she chooses to live in denial.

 

[clone4life82]

Married to my sister. She refuses to say anything to him because it might hurt his feelings. I tried to tell her one time that it was no different than a substance abuse addiction and he was slowly killing himself but of course I was the a$$hole for saying it.

youre correct on that as you get the same dopamine hit from food as you do drugs, alcohol,gambling, or you name the addiction. The unfortunate thing is that there are some mental things on his side that likely need to happen there before any change will happen if it even does (like a rock bottom of losing someone or something). He needs help stepping out of denial.

 

[clone4life82]

I do but I really don't know what to do. She isn't stupid but she chooses to live in denial.

codependency

 

[deadeyededric]

Yeah, a distant cousin of mine, whom I'd never met, just died at home at like age 40. They had to do some construction work to get his body out. The sad thing for your BIL is that he may make 50, but his quality of life probably really sucks. Yeah, people warn him and encourage him, but I'd be willing to bet he doesn't understand nutrition, doesn't know what the 3 macronutrients are, doesn't know that grain is sugar, doesn't know why sugar is unhealthy, doesn't know why veg oils are unhealthy.

I think the only reason my BIL doesn't weigh 500lbs is because most of the stuff he eats his body can't even process at this point so it just runs through him. I'm not joking when I say he's on the crapper every 10 minutes. I've never seen anything like it. He wakes up in the middle of the night to take dumps like most people take a leak. I'd be more scared of going blind or losing my legs than dying myself.

 

[deadeyededric]

codependency

She's probably 30-40 lbs overweight because she just doesn't get exercise. She doesn't have the issues he does.

 

[clone4life82]

She's probably 30-40 lbs overweight because she just doesn't get exercise. She doesn't have the issues he does.

yeah I wouldn’t say that codependency would necessarily have anything to do with her weight.... it’s more she’s living her life in a state that is likely physically and emotionally detrimental to her due his issues and her not wanting to call him to the table on it as you mentioned before.

 

[Cyched]

and has the worst chronic diarrhea known to man. Like takes 5-6 ***** per hour. It's just ******* gross at this point

Taking Chris’s fiber lax pills?

 

[deadeyededric]

Taking Chris’s fiber lax pills?

I thinks it's all the carbs. Like 10x what the average person consumes a day. I dont think his body can produce the chemicals to break stuff down normally anymore. Not 100% sure though.

 

[Cyched]

I thinks it's all the carbs. Like 10x what the average person consumes a day. I dont think his body can produce the chemicals to break stuff down normally anymore. Not 100% sure though.

You’d think most people when they became diabetic, or started dialysis, or was having chronic ***** they’d try to change or do something about it. I’d worry something is wrong beyond just eating too much junk.

 

[madguy30]

You’d think most people when they became diabetic, or started dialysis, or was having chronic ***** they’d try to change or do something about it. I’d worry something is wrong beyond just eating too much junk.

Not just in a diet way but I've had several people in my life that have things that consistent PT would do wonders for, but they're stuck in that 'it is what it is' mentality that basically deflects the idea of trying to improve.

It's the motivation that I have to keep up with my own movement/PT because there's genetic stuff like hip/low back issues that I'll need to work on pretty much forever if I want to keep myself moving.

Other motivations are if I'm out in situations where there's lots of people that went way beyond 'letting themselves go'. After two days at the state fair two summers ago I basically got home and sprinted 5 miles to get what I'd witnessed out of my system.

 

[Cyched]

Not just in a diet way but I've had several people in my life that have things that consistent PT would do wonders for, but they're stuck in that 'it is what it is' mentality that basically deflects the idea of trying to improve.

It's the motivation that I have to keep up with my own movement/PT because there's genetic stuff like hip/low back issues that I'll need to work on pretty much forever if I want to keep myself moving.

Other motivations are if I'm out in situations where there's lots of people that went way beyond 'letting themselves go'. After two days at the state fair two summers ago I basically got home and sprinted 5 miles to get what I'd witnessed out of my system.

Seems like some people view it as an elitist/vanity thing when that’s really not the case.

Having serious preventable health problems probably costs you more money in the long run

It's the motivation that I have to keep up with my own movement/PT because there's genetic stuff like hip/low back issues that I'll need to work on pretty much forever if I want to keep myself moving

Kind of a tangent, but I decided to forgo the gym during COVID (still ran outside quite a bit). Earlier this spring was getting a good amount of lower back pain/discomfort (wasn’t debilitating, but was starting to get concerned).

Resumed my gym workouts, including lower back exercises, core, legs, etc. The back pain has all but vanished since. Pretty neat.