Hey Missouri

[Boomer]

I'll say this...


Oklahoma leadership believed these networks would max out at 5-9 million a year. ESPN swooping in and gving Texas 15 million a year has given pause to some Oklahoma admins. The provisions in the ESPN/Longhorn deal have as well

The thing that sticks out to me is the Texas network has been picked up anywhere yet and its distrubution is going to struggle in its first few years yet ESPN hands them a 300 million dollar contract. It reeks of a payoff for ending the superconference debates


Texas having ESPN in its back pocket pisses me off more than anything.

In short

Screw Texas.. Screw ESPN & Screw Oklahoma leadership for listening to Texas

 

[Tre4ISU]

first of all, i have no problem with texas. if it were any other team doing the same thing i would have the same opinion on it.

obviously as i said in my previous post this move takes money away from the institution that is forced (yes forced, they have no choice contrary to belief on this board) to play on the LHN. That institutions fans are forced (if they want to watch the game) to pay Texas to watch it, instead of being able to, for instance, donate money to ISU. I dont think you quite understand how business works exactly. Wrong. What this will essentially do is take a Texas game watched by Texas fans and likely, Baylor, TT or Kansas fans and move it to LHN. What that will do in turn, is move a previously third tier game up to the second tier and perhaps another game to a more lucrative spot. Whammy, that's more money. There is no more money in that time slot Texas was going to play in with them in it than there is without them in it. That's not how it works. That's not even to mention that the LHN has stated they will try to work with local stations of teams they are competing against.

I would personally like to see ISU get better and better, as i mentioned previously, and i dont see how this is helping that cause.

And for anyone that just feels like attacking me because i am a husker fan, go ahead it just shows that you have no understanding of the situation and thus nothing to add so you take the easy way out.

Al_4_state, what i would like to know is: would you agree that as a fan of ISU would you be upset in the least bit if you couldnt see the ISU game because it was on the LHN? completely hypothetical, but a fair question because if you would be at all upset then i dont see how you can argue the way you are. just because you arent historically a great team doesnt mean that you dont have a voice. i know for a fact that other big 12 universities have voiced concern about this privately. IMO, if it being on the LHN is holding you back from seeing it, I don't think you care enough to be upset. Get tickets or go to an establishment, or (GASP) get the Longhorn Network. Quit crying because we are making more money. People get all hung up on some of these little things when the reality is that we will make a bunch more money, be more competitive and hopefully if something happens in the future we will be an attractive team.

 

[Al_4_State]

I'll say this...


Oklahoma leadership believed these networks would max out at 5-9 million a year. ESPN swooping in and gving Texas 15 million a year has given pause to some Oklahoma admins. The provisions in the ESPN/Longhorn deal have as well

The thing that sticks out to me is the Texas network has been picked up anywhere yet and its distrubution is going to struggle in its first few years yet ESPN hands them a 300 million dollar contract. It reeks of a payoff for ending the superconference debates


I go back and forth on the merits of this conference. Texas having ESPN in its back pocket pisses me off more than anything.

In short

Screw Texas.. Screw ESPN & Screw Oklahoma leadership for listening to Texas

Serious question: What about this bothers you? If OU's pay day is equal to or greater than what was promised, why is this a bad thing?

So ESPN is giving Texas a **** load of money. What are they going to do with it that they aren't already doing?

Unless this is coming out of money that was supposed to go to OU or the rest of the Big 12, this sounds more like a bruised ego argument (No offense, because I enjoy your posts and you seem like a good guy).

I fail to see how anyone is getting screwed over. Texas is just getting more money.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I'll say this...


Oklahoma leadership believed these networks would max out at 5-9 million a year. ESPN swooping in and gving Texas 15 million a year has given pause to some Oklahoma admins. The provisions in the ESPN/Longhorn deal have as well

The thing that sticks out to me is the Texas network has been picked up anywhere yet and its distrubution is going to struggle in its first few years yet ESPN hands them a 300 million dollar contract. It reeks of a payoff for ending the superconference debates


I go back and forth on the merits of this conference. Texas having ESPN in its back pocket pisses me off more than anything.

In short

Screw Texas.. Screw ESPN & Screw Oklahoma leadership for listening to Texas

But is even Oklahoma worse of if that's what is actually going on? Would a Superconference have been good for you guys? You guys have money. What I am saying is this. Superconferences would be advantageous for the ACC and Big East Teams. If you are a good team in those conferences, it will be much easier to get to a NC, not to mention conference championship. If you're in a superconference, that's just more good teams you have to play in the SEC, Pac 10 or Big 10. Wee what I'm saying? Imagine going to the SEC. Everything becomes tougher. Same in the Pac 10.

I can understand your view. You guys have money and options at any times. For all of us but you, Texas and aTm, we don't have those things. We have the Big East at best and I don't really want to be in the Big East.

 

[Boomer]

Serious question: What about this bothers you? If OU's pay day is equal to or greater than what was promised, why is this a bad thing?

So ESPN is giving Texas a **** load of money. What are they going to do with it that they aren't already doing?

Unless this is coming out of money that was supposed to go to OU or the rest of the Big 12, this sounds more like a bruised ego argument (No offense, because I enjoy your posts and you seem like a good guy).

I fail to see how anyone is getting screwed over. Texas is just getting more money.

"Stewart, the news came out recently that Texas' new Longhorn Network is going to broadcast one of the Longhorns' Big 12 games. How in the world can the conference let it and ESPN get away with this? Wouldn't the opposing team have to be paid, too? And wouldn't that go right back into the conference's TV rights pool of money? How does this not open up a huge can of worms in terms of future TV broadcast rights? Not to mention, how PO'd do you think a rival team's fans will be to have to watch their team play on a rival team's biased home broadcast?
-- Ben, Atlanta

I'd definitely be ticked off about the latter part. That's the TV equivalent of trying to find your favorite team's game on the radio while driving and only being able to pick up the opposing team's station. Even if the announcers remain mostly neutral, you'll be subjected to 700 Longhorn-themed ads and in-game promotions. I wouldn't worry about the financials too much. ESPN is simply shifting one of its ABC-allotted broadcasts to the Longhorn Network, so the opponent will get the same cut, regardless. It tells you something about just how much ESPN is investing in this thing that it not only gave up a network window, but, according to reports, basically made a trade with the conference's cable partner, Fox, that will allow Fox to move a 2012 Big 12 game to its mother channel.

And that's the part that should really be troubling not just to Big 12 fans, but to college football fans everywhere. From the moment this 20-year, $300 million deal was announced, it's been astounding just how deeply the company is getting into bed with one of the schools it covers journalistically. Granted, conflicts of interest are unavoidable in sports media these days. This website is owned by a company (Time Warner) that holds the rights to NBA, PGA and NASCAR programming. But ESPN isn't just testing the separation between church and state with Texas; there isn't one. Case in point: The ever-popular GameDay crew (Chris Fowler and Co.) will be appearing live from Austin for the channel's Aug. 26 debut. ESPN and Texas are now one and the same, and you can't tell me it won't affect the way GameDay, SportsCenter, Outside the Lines, et. al., cover Mack Brown's program. In a sport where many fans already live in a constant state of paranoia that the media is propping up someone else at their expense ... well, ESPN is flat-out doing it. It should make for some interesting signs the first time GameDay goes to Norman


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1S0f0Hz6O


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Add those thoughts with the Longhorn Network covering Texas recruits games.. about sums it up nicely for me

 

[Tre4ISU]

Serious question: What about this bothers you? If OU's pay day is equal to or greater than what was promised, why is this a bad thing?

So ESPN is giving Texas a **** load of money. What are they going to do with it that they aren't already doing?

Unless this is coming out of money that was supposed to go to OU or the rest of the Big 12, this sounds more like a bruised ego argument (No offense, because I enjoy your posts and you seem like a good guy).

I fail to see how anyone is getting screwed over. Texas is just getting more money.

I would agree with this an add that I think it is the right way to go. If Texas can get more money on their own, why shouldn't they be able to do it. If ISU could do it, we would do it. If Oklahoma could do it, they would do it. Is it wrong for someone to make the money offered to them?

 

[Boomer]

But is even Oklahoma worse of if that's what is actually going on? Would a Superconference have been good for you guys? You guys have money. What I am saying is this. Superconferences would be advantageous for the ACC and Big East Teams. If you are a good team in those conferences, it will be much easier to get to a NC, not to mention conference championship. If you're in a superconference, that's just more good teams you have to play in the SEC, Pac 10 or Big 10. Wee what I'm saying? Imagine going to the SEC. Everything becomes tougher. Same in the Pac 10.

I can understand your view. You guys have money and options at any times. For all of us but you, Texas and aTm, we don't have those things. We have the Big East at best and I don't really want to be in the Big East.

I concede im looking at this through my eyes only. No one wants to be in The Big East BUT the Big East is a seat at the table.. The so called "Forgotten Five" would have done very well in a expanded Big East

 

[Boomer]

Oklahoma network was well ahead of Texas network. ESPN had to come in and create everything... ESPN is distrubting Texas.. OU can't find a distrubutor..

I honestly think if things come together a Big XII network (sans Texas) will come to light

 

[Al_4_State]

"Stewart, the news came out recently that Texas' new Longhorn Network is going to broadcast one of the Longhorns' Big 12 games. How in the world can the conference let it and ESPN get away with this? Wouldn't the opposing team have to be paid, too? And wouldn't that go right back into the conference's TV rights pool of money? How does this not open up a huge can of worms in terms of future TV broadcast rights? Not to mention, how PO'd do you think a rival team's fans will be to have to watch their team play on a rival team's biased home broadcast?
-- Ben, Atlanta

I'd definitely be ticked off about the latter part. That's the TV equivalent of trying to find your favorite team's game on the radio while driving and only being able to pick up the opposing team's station. Even if the announcers remain mostly neutral, you'll be subjected to 700 Longhorn-themed ads and in-game promotions. I wouldn't worry about the financials too much. ESPN is simply shifting one of its ABC-allotted broadcasts to the Longhorn Network, so the opponent will get the same cut, regardless. It tells you something about just how much ESPN is investing in this thing that it not only gave up a network window, but, according to reports, basically made a trade with the conference's cable partner, Fox, that will allow Fox to move a 2012 Big 12 game to its mother channel.

And that's the part that should really be troubling not just to Big 12 fans, but to college football fans everywhere. From the moment this 20-year, $300 million deal was announced, it's been astounding just how deeply the company is getting into bed with one of the schools it covers journalistically. Granted, conflicts of interest are unavoidable in sports media these days. This website is owned by a company (Time Warner) that holds the rights to NBA, PGA and NASCAR programming. But ESPN isn't just testing the separation between church and state with Texas; there isn't one. Case in point: The ever-popular GameDay crew (Chris Fowler and Co.) will be appearing live from Austin for the channel's Aug. 26 debut. ESPN and Texas are now one and the same, and you can't tell me it won't affect the way GameDay, SportsCenter, Outside the Lines, et. al., cover Mack Brown's program. In a sport where many fans already live in a constant state of paranoia that the media is propping up someone else at their expense ... well, ESPN is flat-out doing it. It should make for some interesting signs the first time GameDay goes to Norman


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1S0f0Hz6O


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Add those thoughts with the Longhorn Network covering Texas recruits games.. about sums it up nicely for me

Maybe I'm just speaking through the eyes of someone who's just glad to not be in the MWC, but if the only issue is here ESPN blowing Texas, then I couldn't care less. I don't give a god damn about ESPN's journalistic credibility if ISU is getting paid and has a seat at the major college football table.

From the perspective of 80% of the Big 12, ESPN blowing Texas isn't any different than what they already do with any big school.

I concede im looking at this through my eyes only. No one wants to be in The Big East BUT the Big East is a seat at the table.. The so called "Forgotten Five" would have done very well in a expanded Big East

Maybe, but we'd be making table scraps, dealing with a giant travel budget, and getting our brains beat in during Bball season.

 

[Al_4_State]

Oklahoma network was well ahead of Texas network. ESPN had to come in and create everything... ESPN is distrubting Texas.. OU can't find a distrubutor..

I honestly think if things come together a Big XII network (sans Texas) will come to light

This is my dream scenario. I like the Big XII. I like conference networks. Gimmee.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

It tells you something about just how much ESPN is investing in this thing that it not only gave up a network window, but, according to reports, basically made a trade with the conference's cable partner, Fox, that will allow Fox to move a 2012 Big 12 game to its mother channel.

I dont get that part?

 

[Cyclonestate78]

This is my dream scenario. I like the Big XII. I like conference networks. Gimmee.

Absolutely. These 9 schools will be pulling in their own revenue stream and Texas won't be a part of it. Sure that may mean that the revenue stream might be a little smaller but regardless the other 9 schools will have a nice product to offer and this network won't have to kiss the Longhorn's ***. That means more coverage for everyone else. In fact... I would be willing to bet that on a subscriber basis a Big XII network covering the 9 schools minus Texas would garner more subscribers then the Bevo Network would. In the end... Texas will have done the other 9 schools a big favor. Now it's time to make it happen.

 

[CyCrazy]

I'll say this...


Oklahoma leadership believed these networks would max out at 5-9 million a year. ESPN swooping in and gving Texas 15 million a year has given pause to some Oklahoma admins. The provisions in the ESPN/Longhorn deal have as well

The thing that sticks out to me is the Texas network has been picked up anywhere yet and its distrubution is going to struggle in its first few years yet ESPN hands them a 300 million dollar contract. It reeks of a payoff for ending the superconference debates


Texas having ESPN in its back pocket pisses me off more than anything.

In short

Screw Texas.. Screw ESPN & Screw Oklahoma leadership for listening to Texas

Your butthurt about UT will fall on deaf ears around here. UT got a great deal more power to them. Its not like OU is now a red headed step child, OU will never be left to hang in the wind like ISU potentially could have been.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Your butthurt about UT will fall on deaf ears around here. UT got a great deal more power to them. Its not like OU is now a red headed step child, OU will never be left to hang in the wind like ISU potentially could have been.

While yes.... OU is not in a position where they would have to worry about their future like ISU I think OU is actually in a great position and due to OU not having their own network it really benefits the other 8 schools. ISU is never going to have their own network. Baylor is never going to have their own network. But you take the 9 schools which includes OU and you have a pretty freaking nice product to sell. There are plenty of good games in all sports in the Big XII that don't include the Texas Longhorns. OU being with the group rather then on their own will benefit both sides very nicely if a group Network comes together.

A group effort like this can only strengthen the conference overall as those 9 schools work together. IF OU really wants to isolate Texas as the lone wolf in the Big XII then sticking with the other 8 schools is the way to do it. Future conference negotiations will pit Texas vs. the other 9 schools. Texas may think they have the power but cooperation between the other 9 schools could prove them wrong over and over again.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Oklahoma network was well ahead of Texas network. ESPN had to come in and create everything... ESPN is distrubting Texas.. OU can't find a distrubutor..

I honestly think if things come together a Big XII network (sans Texas) will come to light

No offense but if the Oklahoma network was more favorable and farther ahead as you say, ESPN would have paid you, not Texas. Let's all just face it. Texas is our sugar daddy. Are there teams that would make it without them? Sure, but we all make more money if we are linked to Texas. Basically the conference will use them as our main bargaining chip. It could be argued that we are using them.

 

[Boomer]

No offense but if the Oklahoma network was more favorable and farther ahead as you say, ESPN would have paid you, not Texas. Let's all just face it. Texas is our sugar daddy. Are there teams that would make it without them? Sure, but we all make more money if we are linked to Texas. Basically the conference will use them as our main bargaining chip. It could be argued that we are using them.

The only thing OU had to do was wire the womens softball field.. thats it.. Texas has been built from the ground up by ESPN

 

[CyCrazy]

The only thing OU had to do was wire the womens softball field.. thats it.. Texas has been built from the ground up by ESPN

Well OU didn't get it done and UT did. Besides ESPN would not have given OU the type of money they gave to UT. UT is a main national brand OU isn't on par with UT nationally and few schools are. This isn't a slight to OU but you guys are not Texas or ND for example.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The only thing OU had to do was wire the womens softball field.. thats it.. Texas has been built from the ground up by ESPN

This is kind of like that seen in Social Network where Jesse Eisenberg says, "If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook."

The fact is that ESPN thought it was a better decision to pay for the infrastrusture of LHN than to take OK. Not Texas' fault they are incredibly marketable.

 

[Sammy11]

This is my dream scenario. I like the Big XII. I like conference networks. Gimmee.

I would love to see it. I think between ISU, KSU, KU, MU, A&M, Tech, Baylor, OU & OSU we'd at minimum land DFW and the Oklahoma markets and KC too.

 

[Al_4_State]

I would love to see it. I think between ISU, KSU, KU, MU, A&M, Tech, Baylor, OU & OSU we'd at minimum land DFW and the Oklahoma markets and KC too.

While we're #2 in the state of Iowa, we'd deliver all the cable companies in the state, the big ones anyway. That's 3,000,000 people.

I would think we'd (the Big 12 - UT) be able to deliver Houston and San Antonio, too right? Enough A&M, Tech, and Baylor folks there to demand it I would think.