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He also won a tournament in KC.

Prohm had some highs but some low lows. McDemott was just all lows the whole time.

I’d rather the Prohm rollercoaster with some greatness and badness that veered into unintentional comedy (lost to FAMU? LOL!) what a dork) over McDermott’s slow and boring that never did anything.
My problem with Prohm is just absolutely squashed all momentum the program had at the time. He was gifted two years of top 25 teams or better and really didn’t do much.

And people act like he was a good recruiter which isn’t true. He had one good class and a bunch of scrubs besides that.
 
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He also won a tournament in KC.

Prohm had some highs but some low lows. McDemott was just all lows the whole time.

I’d rather the Prohm rollercoaster with some greatness and badness that veered into unintentional comedy (lost to FAMU? LOL!) what a dork) over McDermott’s slow and boring that never did anything.
If I had to pick one era to re-live, I'd take Prohm too. McDermott was 5 long years of nothing burger. Not even an NIT berth, that guy had ISU riding that fine line between bad and almost mediocre his entire tenure. Got a handful of really talented players to come to ISU, but was awful at creating a balanced roster. Very much like what Prohm's failure was, too. Neither were good game day coaches either. Prohm got rocked by the other Big 12 coaches on game day. McDermott likely did as well, as he had come from the Missouri Valley and wasn't very experience yet when he came to ISU.
 
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My problem with Prohm is just absolutely squashed all momentum the program had at the time. He was gifted two years of top 25 teams or better and really didn’t do much.

And people act like he was a good recruiter which isn’t true. He had one good class and a bunch of scrubs besides that.
If he was a bad recruiter, the scouting services didn't agree. I just think he had trouble with player development, getting players to buy-in, and sucked at roster planning.
 
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My problem with Prohm is just absolutely squashed all momentum the program had at the time. He was gifted two years of top 25 teams or better and really didn’t do much.

And people act like he was a good recruiter which isn’t true. He had one good class and a bunch of scrubs besides that.

The whole momentum thing is overrated. TJ got the team to the Sweet Sixteen after one round of spring recruiting. Rosters and reputations change so fast now. As harrowing as 0-19 against the Big 12 was, for all intents and purposes it is practically ancient history now and doubly so for being the COVID year. All that remains of the late Prohm era is Tyrese Haliburton. Having a future NBA MVP who loves Ames, loves Iowa State, has a great relationship with the other Cyclones in the NBA, and will go to bat for TJ is probably a worthwhile trade in comparison to one awful shortened season.
 

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Either you are too young to have witnessed it or have massive recency bias. Prohm might have ended badly here, but he wasn't a terrible coach, just not the right coach for Iowa State. Morgan was an abysmal coach - thus why he got stuck in sales.

Sorry Jeremy, but you are the last person on this board to criticize others for having "bias". This website began because of how you felt about Wayne Morgan (and to your credit you did go into that earlier in the thread.)

And Wayne Morgan may not have been a good coach or the right guy for ISU, but he was a damn sight better than Greg McDermott, no matter how well Greg did at UNI or at Creighton afterwards. Greg McDermott is the worst coach in recent ISU BB history and even if I am the last soldier left I will die upon that hill.
 
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Sorry Jeremy, but you are the last person on this board to criticize others for having "bias". This website began because of how you felt about Wayne Morgan (and to your credit you did go into that earlier in the thread.)

And Wayne Morgan may not have been a good coach or the right guy for ISU, but he was a damn sight better than Greg McDermott, no matter how well Greg did at UNI or at Creighton afterwards. Greg McDermott is the worst coach in recent ISU BB history and even if I am the last soldier left I will die upon that hill.

Morgan needed to go and McDermott sucked in Ames aren't mutually exclusive notions. I kind of wonder who else was on the list when Pollard let Morgan go, but I thought McD was his man.
 

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If he was a bad recruiter, the scouting services didn't agree. I just think he had trouble with player development, getting players to buy-in, and sucked at roster planning.
Did you watch the last 2 years under Prohm? In the immortal words of Gene Hackman,”Have you got pigeon #### in your eyes?” No coach should last out the season when you are 2-22.
 
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Morgan needed to go and McDermott sucked in Ames aren't mutually exclusive notions. I kind of wonder who else was on the list when Pollard let Morgan go, but I thought McD was his man.
IIRC, (and my memory is pretty good), the only other name I remember being mentioned in connection with the search at that time is that of Rob Jeter, who had just finished his first season at Wisconsin-Milwaukee and who had beaten Oklahoma in the first round (as an #11 seed, I think), and who was a "hot" name, at least in the Midwest. I don't know if Pollard soured on him during the interview process or what, but obviously that didn't go anywhere and we ended up getting Greg McD.

Jeter has gone on to have a solid, yet unspectacular career in college basketball. I don't see anything in his record to indicate that he would have been any more successful at ISU than anyone else, including Greg.

 

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If he was a bad recruiter, the scouting services didn't agree. I just think he had trouble with player development, getting players to buy-in, and sucked at roster planning.
Don't forget being completely hopeless at strategy both pre-game and in-game.

As far as recruiting, he had a lot of total misses too. Like, a LOT.
 

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Prohm made us give up our season tickets of 17 years.

That’s just the time to buy in. The terrible Morgan and McDermott years allowed us to move to our current seats for basketball, which are the best seats a $1500 donation can get you.
 
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I wanted to like it and tried for years, but as someone stated above, after the 18-19 season debacle halfway through and early tournament exit, followed by the abysmal 2019-20 season I was all but done. 2-22 was the nail in the coffin.
Lost in all of this: I don’t think 2-22 happens without the pandemic. Prohm either takes another job or Jamie cuts him loose after the Big 12 tournament in 2020, except for the whole global pandemic/sports cancelled/potentially no revenue thing. Everyone knew it was over and was ready to be done.
 
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Did you watch the last 2 years under Prohm? In the immortal words of Gene Hackman,”Have you got pigeon #### in your eyes?” No coach should last out the season when you are 2-22.
LOL I am not defending Prohm, over time I have just concluded that in my personal opinion, recruiting was not what did him in. He seemed like a man without a plan, and I think the players he recruited here all picked up on that and it led to all kinds of problems both on and off the court. He also had mostly poor assistants who did next to nothing in terms of player development. A lot of guys peaked as FR and SO or whatever their first season in Ames was (see Michael Jacobson's stats in year 1 vs year 2 for example).

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that Prohm's 2019-2020 team had more talent top to bottom than either of TJs first two teams. 2020-21 was awful and problematic no matter what way you slice it, and didn't help that the promising FR class that year had to get thrown to the wolves more or less.
 

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Lost in all of this: I don’t think 2-22 happens without the pandemic. Prohm either takes another job or Jamie cuts him loose after the Big 12 tournament in 2020, except for the whole global pandemic/sports cancelled/potentially no revenue thing. Everyone knew it was over and was ready to be done.
You think so? I am not so certain Prohm gets fired after 2019-20. Hadn't he just been given an extension after '18-'19? '19-'20 was bad, with some all-time embarrassing losses, but he did have a built in excuse of not having Haliburton down the stretch, which included the Big 12 Tournament game that they almost won v.s. Oklahoma State.
 

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The whole momentum thing is overrated. TJ got the team to the Sweet Sixteen after one round of spring recruiting. Rosters and reputations change so fast now. As harrowing as 0-19 against the Big 12 was, for all intents and purposes it is practically ancient history now and doubly so for being the COVID year. All that remains of the late Prohm era is Tyrese Haliburton. Having a future NBA MVP who loves Ames, loves Iowa State, has a great relationship with the other Cyclones in the NBA, and will go to bat for TJ is probably a worthwhile trade in comparison to one awful shortened season.

All that momentum in the program losing to dog poo UAB.
 

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I didn't attend any games that season but didn't miss any on the telly.

Towards the end I was enjoying it -- my brother and I gave it the Mystery Science Theater 3000 treatment.

Yeah, it's awful, but everything is awful right now, so how about we have fun with it?

Like when they had a 17-point lead on Baylor and I kept yelling at the TV they're still gonna lose.

Sure enough they did!

The last few possessions of that season were some of the ******* funniest I've ever seen --

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...ols-2022-23-season.275052/page-2#post-8570774

I'll never stop laughing at Terrence Lewis scoring the "game-winning" bucket, flexing for the camera, not getting back on defense, Oklahoma State winning it at the buzzer as a result, and then all the games being cancelled the next day because of COVID. What a futile, fruitless effort all of that was.

That Baylor game at home had the worst final minute I have ever seen from a coach. We were down a bucket with about a minute to go and ran clock for the whole possession for absolutely no reason and then *of course* took the worst and most awful shot possible. We had timeouts. The possession was so bad I rewound it, recorded it on my phone, and sent it to my sister, who at that point had quit watching for the year. Probably genuinely the worst single player I have seen at ISU given the context. I, like you, was unable to miss a moment of it because of how historically awful it was and how consistently we found new ways to lose. That entire roster was like the island of misfit toys--every player had a unique and terrible flaw.
 
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