How far will the bench extend?

[ComCY]

I think people are unfairly harsh to Nick.

I'm excited to see what he can do with an extended role this year. I still think back to Prohm when he said NWB had the most appealing NBA potential.

 

[acgclone]

I think people are unfairly harsh to Nick.

I'm excited to see what he can do with an extended role this year. I still think back to Prohm when he said NWB had the most appealing NBA potential.

Agreed. He's a very good defender. He rebounds pretty well. He's actually a very efficient scorer.

Not everyone has to score 15 to be a good player.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I will guess 8 deep on a regular basis, but the guy that's 8th may change based on match ups.

 

[CloneGuy8]

I think people are unfairly harsh to Nick.

I'm excited to see what he can do with an extended role this year. I still think back to Prohm when he said NWB had the most appealing NBA potential.

He's going to surprise people this year. It was pretty obvious his problem was he felt he needed to defer to the seniors last year; I'm confident he'll be a solid starter for us. He's got the talent.

 

[cyclones500]

4-5
Hans
Solo

What a tandem of names!

 

[cyclones500]

Extremely preliminary guess:

PG Wigginton
Combo-G/2ndcPG Jackson
3 Weiler-Babb
SF Beverly
PF Young
1st bench guard Lewis/Long
1st bench forward Brase (could sub for either Bev or Solo)
8th(T) Lard & Lewis/Long
McNeil/Kasongo

If having Brase helps ease Lard into the mix, and CL develops well enough supplant someone higher in rotation, that’s Bo-nus.

I agree it’ll be mostly 8-deep, but I still like the idea of developing a roster with rotational/situational contributors available at 9/10.

 

[nfrine]

Frannie says you can't be too deep.

 

[CycloneBBFan]

I think we are a good ten deep here (maybe more) but many factors come into play. There's a big difference between depth potential and actual rotation potential. We haven't seen this in many years. Prohm has the ability to completely switch to small ball with room to spare. We can just run the crap out them in transition and put our bigs back in five minutes later. Those options are always exciting.

I think this team will be very hard for any opponent to prepare for. How do you prepare for a team when you don't know what the hell is going to get thrown at you? Realistically, however, I see Prohm running an eight-man rotation by the time Big 12 play begins. I also think we are going to see a much higher rotation pre-season play to determine a primary rotation. They need the experience and we need to see who will emerge as producers. I think Prohm learned a valuable lesson with Solomon Young last year. This is going to be fun.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I think we are a good ten deep here (maybe more) but many factors come into play. There's a big difference between depth potential and actual rotation potential. We haven't seen this in many years. Prohm has the ability to completely switch to small ball with room to spare. We can just run the crap out them in transition and put our bigs back in five minutes later. Those options are always exciting.

I think this team will be very hard for any opponent to prepare for. How do you prepare for a team when you don't know what the hell is going to get thrown at you? Realistically, however, I see Prohm running an eight-man rotation by the time Big 12 play begins. I also think we are going to see a much higher rotation pre-season play to determine a primary rotation. They need the experience and we need to see who will emerge as producers. I think Prohm learned a valuable lesson with Solomon Young last year. This is going to be fun.

Yeah, early season rotations for Prohm are very mixed. He seems to really like to spend that time assessing various combinations, and he'll throw out a few that totally don't work, but that's just part of the process.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Yeah, early season rotations for Prohm are very mixed. He seems to really like to spend that time assessing various combinations, and he'll throw out a few that totally don't work, but that's just part of the process.

And get absolutely crucified on here when he does that....

Like you said though, it's part of the process.

 

[Rural]

Lard
Young
Babb
Jackson
Wigg

 

[BoxsterCy]

How far will the bench extend?

Everybody knows that.

 

[clonedude]

From reading this thread, I feel people are underestimating NWB and overestimating Beverly. I'd be absolutely shocked if NWB isn't starting. And the addition of Hans, if he stays healthy, will hurt Beverly's minutes a LOT IMO.

I think the following guys will get the majority of minutes...

Wigginton
Jackson
NWB
Brase - if 100%
Young
Lard
Beverly/Lewis

I'm concerned a bit about Beverly's lack of athleticism, slow feet defensively, and if he's only 6'4" and has to play the 4. Just to put into context, if he's only 6'4", then NWB and Jakolby Long are taller than he is. Obviously I hope I'm dead wrong about him and he has a great year because I love his attitude and his desire all along to be a Cyclone. I'd love for him to be our junkyard dog out there getting physical, grabbing rebounds, getting garbage baskets, hustling like a mad man, etc. That would be exactly what we need out of him IMO.

 

[heitclone]

I think we'll see some strange rotations in the non con, Prohm has said he likes to play 8 but that 9 wasn't out of the question if someone were to earn it. We can assume DJ, Wigginton, Babb, Young, Beverly and Brase will fill 6 of those spots. I'm guessing Lard and Kasongo compete for the 4th post spot but it be tough to see more then 2/4 of Long, Lewis, McNeil and possible grad transfer fitting in as well. I don't think its likely but if a solid guard transfer emerges, Long, Lewis and McNeil could see little to no PT. I just don't know where the minutes would come from.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Are we deeper or do we have more evenly talented (unproven) players?

5 starters, with Jackson, Young, and NWB as near locks. Wigginton is probably a lock too, for recruiting reasons if nothing else. Hopefully one of Lard, Brase, or Beverly is a good Big 12 starter. I'm leaning towards that being Brase.

2 guards off the bench- McNeill at combo guard and Lewis on the wing
2 forwards off the bench- matchup dependent

We'll see the starters average an accumulative 10-15 minutes less, which will make it seem like we're deeper. Imo that 9th guy will get far more consistent action than Holden got, with maybe a 10th guy getting Edozie type minutes (Kasongo? Long?)

 

[woodm07]

One thing we should remember with height reports, they are all overestimated. You can't say Niang for example was never 6'8", and then compare that to the over reported height of another. I'm guessing Babb and Long are nowhere near 6'5". Not even close.

 

[CycloneBBFan]

This is the first year in many years the starting positions are wide open. Yes we have some high probabilities but we have no "sure locks" by the time Big 12 rolls around and it sure doesn't mean the starting five is going to stay that way either as we saw last year with Solomon Young.

 

[clonedude]

Are we deeper or do we have more evenly talented (unproven) players?

5 starters, with Jackson, Young, and NWB as near locks. Wigginton is probably a lock too, for recruiting reasons if nothing else. Hopefully one of Lard, Brase, or Beverly is a good Big 12 starter. I'm leaning towards that being Brase.

2 guards off the bench- McNeill at combo guard and Lewis on the wing
2 forwards off the bench- matchup dependent

We'll see the starters average an accumulative 10-15 minutes less, which will make it seem like we're deeper. Imo that 9th guy will get far more consistent action than Holden got, with maybe a 10th guy getting Edozie type minutes (Kasongo? Long?)

Unfortunately at this given moment, probably neither. We aren't deeper, and we don't have as much talent. But as I said, that's of this moment. There is much still to be determined. Nearly every single player on the roster is an unknown, even NWB. Jackson and Young might be the only ones that we really know what we'll be getting, but even they are a question mark.

 

[CycloneBBFan]

Are we deeper or do we have more evenly talented (unproven) players?

5 starters, with Jackson, Young, and NWB as near locks. Wigginton is probably a lock too, for recruiting reasons if nothing else. Hopefully one of Lard, Brase, or Beverly is a good Big 12 starter. I'm leaning towards that being Brase.

2 guards off the bench- McNeill at combo guard and Lewis on the wing
2 forwards off the bench- matchup dependent

We'll see the starters average an accumulative 10-15 minutes less, which will make it seem like we're deeper. Imo that 9th guy will get far more consistent action than Holden got, with maybe a 10th guy getting Edozie type minutes (Kasongo? Long?)

I won't make any predictions until I see 10 pre-season games. The three wild cards IMO on this roster are Lard, Lewis, and McNeill. Anyone one of these guys has the potential to break out. The fourth wild card yet to be determined ........the last available scholly.

 

[clonedude]

I won't make any predictions until I see 10 pre-season games. The three wild cards IMO on this roster are Lard, Lewis, and McNeill. Anyone one of these guys has the potential to break out. The fourth wild card yet to be determined ........the last available scholly.

I really hope McNeill is as good as some of you are saying. That would be great. I definitely think the potential is very high for him, but in year one, I'm just not sure we'll see a whole lot of him?

Now Lewis on the other hand, if he can be anywhere near the 3 point shooter he was in HS, then he will see the court quite a bit IMO. You can't shoot 60+% from 3 in HS and not be a really good shooter. I don't care what the competition level is. It's tough to shoot 60+% from 3 in practice with nobody guarding you. I think Lewis could really be an X factor in that area if he can bring it to the college level.