IOWA vs IOWA STATE

[HititHard]

This^^^. UTEP is not very good. New Mexico State has already beat them....twice. Regardless....watching KU now, and from what I have seen so far, if I was to rank the Big 12 right now.....the top five would be OSU-ISU-Baylor-KU-OU. Now I know it's early and these games in November and December don't mean a whole heck of a lot, but they don't look like conference winners let alone #2 in the country.

I've watched a couple KU and a couple Baylor games and despite the loss I'd have to reverse them. Baylor appears to me to struggle with the inside out game and frankly their player development seems to be a real problem. I don't see much if any improvement in the play of their individual players or the team. I can't see them getting significantly better as the season progresses.
KU will improve as the season goes on and will likely be in form by the time B12 play gets here. They will challenge OSU and ISU.
As far as Iowa goes I have not seen them play but from listening to their learned fans I understand they are a final four caliber team and we don't belong in the same gym with them.

 

[peteypie]

I think they would be fighting with us and Baylor for the three spot. Baylor nor Iowa have looked impressive, but Iowa is going to come in ranked into a rivalry game. They will actually have fan support unlike when Baylor, who has never won in Hilton, and Oklahoma come to town. I hate Iowa as much as the next guy, but some here don't want to give them any credit.

I give them some credit, but some on here want to crown them the champions right now it seems after they beat UTEP and Xavier. They had to go to overtime to beat a bad Xavier team, and beat UTEP solidly. Neither of those wins is overly impressive. I wish they would have met KU, but I still think Nova will beat them tonight. Let's see what they do against actual competition.

BTW, ISU is undefeated too and Hilton is a tough place to win at.

 

[ISU42]

I give them some credit, but some on here want to crown them the champions right now it seems after they beat UTEP and Xavier. They had to go to overtime to beat a bad Xavier team, and beat UTEP solidly. Neither of those wins is overly impressive. I wish they would have met KU, but I still think Nova will beat them tonight. Let's see what they do against actual competition.

BTW, ISU is undefeated too and Hilton is a tough place to win at.

I know. I just said we will beat Iowa.

 

[RustShack]

So is Iowa as good as Kansas was last year? Because that's the only team that could win in Hilton, and they had the help of the refs. Is the same team that was completely over matched by Baylor who we swept really THAT much better with a year more of experience?

 

[Dryburn]

Personally, I think we need to give both ISU and Iowa, and the players, and their coaches credit.

Iowa is no slouch. Honestly, what bothered me most about yesterday's game is that they were actually hitting their outside shots. Now, a lot of that was UTEP's defense, but still. If they can hit from the outside, they are a very tough team. The other thing that cannot be overlooked is their ability to draw fouls. That could be a problem. Let's face it, it's not like Ejim, Niang, Hogue, Gibson, or Edozie have a history of avoiding contact and fouls. Iowa's overall size is a problem. ISU doesn't have 2 or 3 7 footers to put out there when needed. Finally, this team has been playing together since they were in the 5th grade (sarcasm) and that is an advantage.

For ISU....their shooting is outstanding. Making 9 threes in a game as Iowa did last night is pretty much the norm for ISU, not the exception like it was for Iowa. ISU is a very good rebounding team, even against bigger opponents. ISU has a mental toughness that has not always been present in past teams. It is a "never quit" mentality that won them a couple of tough games and a lot of it comes from the newest players on the team including Hogue and Kane. ISU has gelled much more quickly than anyone should have expected, and that cohesiveness appears to be getting stronger each game. Finally, Hilton is one damned tough place for a visiting team to win, no matter who they are or what their ranking might be.

It is going to be a hell of a game, imho.

 

[imnclone]

I give them some credit, but some on here want to crown them the champions right now it seems after they beat UTEP and Xavier. They had to go to overtime to beat a bad Xavier team, and beat UTEP solidly. Neither of those wins is overly impressive. I wish they would have met KU, but I still think Nova will beat them tonight. Let's see what they do against actual competition.

BTW, ISU is undefeated too and Hilton is a tough place to win at.

I watched a good chunk of the Xavier/Squawk game. I thought Xavier looked bad even with the lead. They kept making stupid fouls. Iowa looked a little better, but their shooting was awful. Marble was the only one on the court doing much, Basabe looked okay too. Overall the game was barely watchable.

If Hogue can contain Marble, good guys should win. Pretty good chance it is a foul fest. They will have a lot of trouble with Kane.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

If you all want a good laugh check out this thread:

HawkeyeReport.com - Message Boards

 

[ISUCY23]

I watched a good chunk of the Xavier/Squawk game. I thought Xavier looked bad even with the lead. They kept making stupid fouls. Iowa looked a little better, but their shooting was awful. Marble was the only one on the court doing much, Basabe looked okay too. Overall the game was barely watchable.

If Hogue can contain Marble, good guys should win. Pretty good chance it is a foul fest. They will have a lot of trouble with Kane.

I bet Kane guards Marble.

 

[JohnnyFive]

I bet Kane guards Marble.

Well, Kane is able so...

 

[ChiefNation22]

If you all want a good laugh check out this thread:

HawkeyeReport.com - Message Boards

What's so funny about that thread to you?

 

[LindenCy]

What's so funny about that thread to you?

About 3 posters in there are funny. The rest seem pretty level headed.

 

[HFCS]

If Iowa wins this tournament I'll agree they deserve their ranking this year. Even if they lose close to Villanova I think it would make sense to be right on the edge.

Going to the NIT final and getting blown out by Baylor means absolutely nothing though. ISU was 3-1 against teams in the NIT Final Four last year. It was pretty dumb that a blowout loss to Baylor and the #355 SOS had Iowa fans all saying they should be top 25 and half of them saying they should be top 10.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

What's so funny about that thread to you?

Well, to state the obvious, the OP's original post. Let me know if I need to get more specific.

 

[ChiefNation22]

If Iowa wins this tournament I'll agree they deserve their ranking this year. Even if they lose close to Villanova I think it would make sense to be right on the edge.

Going to the NIT final and getting blown out by Baylor means absolutely nothing though. ISU was 3-1 against teams in the NIT Final Four last year. It was pretty dumb that a blowout loss to Baylor and the #355 SOS had Iowa fans all saying they should be top 25 and half of them saying they should be top 10.

And they weren't pre ranked top 25 so what's the big fuss?

 

[ChiefNation22]

Well, to state the obvious, the OP's original post. Let me know if I need to get more specific.

What's so funny about saying the team could be special? He made very generic statements about how if they're hitting jump shots like that they'll be very tough to beat. Nothing crazy, or "funny" about that statement. You're trying a little bit too hard buddy.

 

[HFCS]

And they weren't pre ranked top 25 so what's the big fuss?

It's not a big fuss. I just think it's idiotic half their fans thought they should be top 25 or top 10 for getting second place in a consolation tournament. ISU cut through BYU last year and Baylor twice last year like a warm knife through butter, we win games in the real tournament and have something called perspective.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

What's so funny about saying the team could be special? He made very generic statements about how if they're hitting jump shots like that they'll be very tough to beat. Nothing crazy, or "funny" about that statement. You're trying a little bit too hard buddy.

My apologies, apparently I did need to be more specific with you. The thread title is called "This team could win a national championship". As in the OP thinks the Iowa Hawkeyes can win the national championship in basketball, and that is based on beating UTEP, and a few other really bad basketball teams. Yes, I found that funny.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

What's so funny about saying the team could be special? He made very generic statements about how if they're hitting jump shots like that they'll be very tough to beat. Nothing crazy, or "funny" about that statement. You're trying a little bit too hard buddy.

And this was my favorite response from one of their posters:

It just amazes me how you can make such a ridiculous statement after beating such a lackluster team in UTEP. Unbelievable how some fans are. Its like they don't watch the same games as educated fans do. Havent played anybody yet and B10 play hasn't even started. Iowa is not even the best team in the state you clueless joke of a Hawk fan. Let some of the air out of head and caome back to reality a bit. Your statement could be used for damn near every team in basketball. You are probably the same type of fan that says Iowa seasons are over if we would have lost to UTEP last night. Stop it.

 

[LLCoolCY]

I thought we'd learn something about Iowa at this Atlantis tourney, but now I am not so sure.
Their competition didn't really show up.

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 23m Xavier was on the verge of beating Iowa the other night. Now they're down 23 in the second half to USC. 0-3 trip for the Musketeers.

I give them credit for coming back from double digits against Xavier, but they did it by getting a lot of free throws, game of Marble's life, not mention Xavier's top player for the second half was out with cramps the entire second half. I see the same issues they had last year, poor outside shooting and I don't see them as overly athletic.
Honestly other than Marble, who is known to disappear game to game, I don't think any of their players would be starting for ISU.
IMO
Kane > Gissel, Thomas < Marble, Hogue > Basabe, Niang > Woody Ejim >White

 

[HFCS]

My apologies, apparently I did need to be more specific with you. The thread title is called "This team could win a national championship". As in the OP thinks the Iowa Hawkeyes can win the national championship in basketball, and that is based on beating UTEP, and a few other really bad basketball teams. Yes, I found that funny.

Lots of level headed fans think beating no ranked teams and ending last season getting blown out by Baylor make you a National Championship contender.