Is McDermott's job security in danger

[TedKumsher]

I say IF [he-who-shall-not-be-named] had stayed, you could argue that anyone with 2 NBA quality players should be getting to the post season. Hence my number 1 problem with Wayne Morgan. Good coach + Stinson + Blalock should always = tournament wins. We were mediocre in conference and lucky to make the tourney under Wayne (and stunk it up in the tourney).

At some point there will be too many excuses. For this year, for me at least, the excuses are sufficient ([he-who-shall-not-be-named] ditched us). Recruiting is looking decent. Coaching is looking OK to me (getting what he can from the talent he has with a game plan that gives us a chance to win(not that he's perfect or anything)). One more year experience plus new recruits means I expect something next year. One more bad circumstances excuse (something awful like CB leaving for Kansas) and I fear McD will be unfortunate-circumstances'ed away.

 

[cybsball20]

it's not all about him searching. No other school has even sought him out and I've yet to hear his name on any medias short list for a school looking.

Mac gets held to whatever std JP wants to use.
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It's hard to get saught out when you no longer have a basketball agent working for you...

 

[BigBake]

It's hard to get saught out when you no longer have a basketball agent working for you...

So he doesn't even have an agent? Wow.

Like I said. Nothing personal against the guy, he could recruit very well but he ain't being sought or talked about for a coaching job and I don't think that is a anomaly that 119 teams are ignoring him.
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[CyGuy33]

So he doesn't even have an agent? Wow.

Like I said. Nothing personal against the guy, he could recruit very well but he ain't being sought or talked about for a coaching job and I don't think that is a anomaly that 119 teams are ignoring him.
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Wayne was the finalist for a handful of jobs the two off seasons after he was fired. He was offered some assistant jobs and decided he was not interested in bein an assistant coach again. That's a personal choice.

 

[BryceC]

As time goes on and we're worried about the Jacksonville State's of the world, it's funny to see the folks that still love ripping Wayne. He's gone but he will continue to be compared to Mac until he wins or gets canned. And until Mac starts winning he will be favorably compared to Mac. I'm sorry I don't care about how bad of a coach he was. He won basketball games and made postseason tournaments.

 

[CyGuy33]

As time goes on and we're worried about the Jacksonville State's of the world, it's funny to see the folks that still love ripping Wayne. He's gone but he will continue to be compared to Mac until he wins or gets canned. And until Mac starts winning he will be favorably compared to Mac. I'm sorry I don't care about how bad of a coach he was. He won basketball games and made postseason tournaments.

That's kind of what it's all about isn't it?

 

[Cloned4Life]

I'm sorry I don't care about how bad of a coach he was. He won basketball games and made postseason tournaments.

I care how bad of coach he was. I think he was a bad coach. And I think a lot of other people think that too. Probably why he got fired twice and hasn't been able to find another head coaching gig. Other than a sweet 7 game winning streak and a few cool home wins Sully's senior year, I was never impressed with the guy. And even during that streak, I was more impressed with Stinson/Blalock etc than WM.

We sucked most of his first year, the first half of his second year, and all of his third year. I can't imagine how bad we would have looked if Stinson or Blalock would have gotten hurt...

This is all just my OPINION of course.

 

[CyGuy33]

I care how bad of coach he was. I think he was a bad coach. And I think a lot of other people think that too. Probably why he got fired twice and hasn't been able to find another head coaching gig. Other than a sweet 7 game winning streak and a few cool home wins Sully's senior year, I was never impressed with the guy. And even during that streak, I was more impressed with Stinson/Blalock etc than WM.

We sucked most of his first year, the first half of his second year, and all of his third year. I can't imagine how bad we would have looked if Stinson or Blalock would have gotten hurt...

This is all just my OPINION of course.

You have to be kidding me. How do you say things like this about a 7 game winning streak and then bash the coach who was at the helm? Guess what, GMac doesn't have one win that compares to any of those 7. Give me an example of one big win that he has at Iowa State, since you haven't read the whole thread I'll give you the stats again

1-7 against the MVC
1-19 against the Top half of the Big 12
0- Tournament wins
0 wins agains ranked opponents

Because you don't understand an uptempo type of basketball, with trapping defenses, and a zone he's a bad coach?

You were impressed with Stinson and Blalock, who brought them here? Who coached them? In big time basketball the team with the best players usually wins the games. Guess what Mac hasn't proven he can bring in players to compete and until that happens his list of victories that would top that seven game win streak will stay very very slim.

 

[TedKumsher]

You have to be kidding me. How do you say things like this about a 7 game winning streak and then bash the coach who was at the helm? Guess what, GMac doesn't have one win that compares to any of those 7. Give me an example of one big win that he has at Iowa State . . .

Because you don't understand an uptempo type of basketball, with trapping defenses, and a zone he's a bad coach?

You were impressed with Stinson and Blalock, who brought them here? Who coached them? In big time basketball the team with the best players usually wins the games. Guess what Mac hasn't proven he can bring in players to compete and until that happens his list of victories that would top that seven game win streak will stay very very slim.

I think the argument about good/bad coach is this: (and OBVIOUSLY this is all hypothetical)Would McD have done better than WM with the same players? Now being a head coach isn't just about coaching -- there's recruiting and cheerleading and keeping donors happy and . . . well . . . winning. I think WM (and this is only opinion) didn't fulfill the potential that came with the talent he recruited. WM could recruit. Coaching is up for debate. From my understanding, he wasn't a cheerleader (watching his show on ABC was painful) and he didn't even try to keep donors happy.

I'm not sure who recruited CB -- but [he-who-shall-not-be-named] was McD (good talent at least). Time will tell with other recruits.

 

[cybsball20]

Coaching college basketball is 90% recruiting...

 

[TedKumsher]

Coaching college basketball is 90% recruiting...

Right. And perception is reality.

That's just a drop in the bucket. It is what it is (tautology anybody?). You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink (which isn't true -- but I digress). You can't put the cart before the horse. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I say IF [he-who-shall-not-be-named] had stayed, you could argue that anyone with 2 NBA quality players should be getting to the post season. Hence my number 1 problem with Wayne Morgan. Good coach + Stinson + Blalock should always = tournament wins. We were mediocre in conference and lucky to make the tourney under Wayne (and stunk it up in the tourney).

At some point there will be too many excuses. For this year, for me at least, the excuses are sufficient ([he-who-shall-not-be-named] ditched us). Recruiting is looking decent. Coaching is looking OK to me (getting what he can from the talent he has with a game plan that gives us a chance to win(not that he's perfect or anything)). One more year experience plus new recruits means I expect something next year. One more bad circumstances excuse (something awful like CB leaving for Kansas) and I fear McD will be unfortunate-circumstances'ed away.

If losing to the eventual national champs in the second round of the NCAA tourney is now the definition of "stunk it up".....then what exactly are we doing now?

 

[cybsball20]

But Blalock and Stinson were young on the tourney team... Can't we use that excuse????

 

[Clone_12]

But Blalock and Stinson were young on the tourney team... Can't we use that excuse????

You can to a certain extent...also keep in mind Stinson had a Big 12 body as a freshman, and Blalock was decently filled out...which makes a huge difference in maximizing potential, as I'm sure you already know.

 

[cybsball20]

You can to a certain extent...also keep in mind Stinson had a Big 12 body as a freshman, and Blalock was decently filled out...which makes a huge difference in maximizing potential, as I'm sure you already know.

so this makes it less acceptable? I just think its funny that some of the same excuses people make for the current regime are some of the things they condemn the prior coaches for...

 

[Clone_12]

If McDermott's guys aren't achieving at a higher level than Wayne's did as upperclassmen, I'll be very disappointed...when one questions the effort on a McDermott coached team, it's not even close to being the same as when one questions the effort on a Morgan coached team-and the lack of effort (which makes overachieving literally impossible) is what upset me the most about Morgan, and made me believe that regardless of talent brought in, we would never achieve up 2 our potential...his Long Beach State teams did the same thing...I will GLADLY eat my words and admit I was wrong if we don't see a large increase in wins next year with another year of conditioning for Garrett and Brackins, and the addition of Colvin and Gilstrap.

 

[Clone_12]

I can also tell you that a McDermott practice is head and shoulders better than a Wayne Morgan practice for teaching, instructing, and discipline...it's no comparison..

 

[cybsball20]

If McDermott's guys aren't achieving at a higher level than Wayne's did as upperclassmen, I'll be very disappointed...when one questions the effort on a McDermott coached team, it's not even close to being the same as when one questions the effort on a Morgan coached team-and the lack of effort (which makes overachieving literally impossible) is what upset me the most about Morgan, and made me believe that regardless of talent brought in, we would never achieve up 2 our potential...his Long Beach State teams did the same thing...I will GLADLY eat my words and admit I was wrong if we don't see a large increase in wins next year with another year of conditioning for Garrett and Brackins, and the addition of Colvin and Gilstrap.

I don't remember seeing anyone not giving 100% since Tinsley...

 

[Clone_12]

Blalock, Stinson, and Homan consistanly gave less than 100% during their three years under Wayne, only to turn it on for Kansas, Iowa, and other big-name schools.

 

[Wesley]

....Only if he loses to jacksonville state. We better win.