ISU Gambling Megathread

[Statefan10]

Bless your heart.

It's cute that you think this is some kind of education issue and if we had just done more hand-holding and pinky-swearing, we'd have avoided this. Would you be this generous if the accused players were from Oklahoma or Texas?

These guys knew the rules and defied them. Period.

You take courses before you get on campus. You have freshman seminars with all freshman SA’s and it gets HAMMERED into you. You then are talked to by many different higher ups in the AD throughout different points of the year. Hell, you could even have a public speaker come in that’s gotten into trouble before talking to you about it.

They knew the consequences and flat out didn’t care.

 

[AuH2O]

Apparently it wasn't clear enough.

The only thing that wasn't clear enough is the likelihood that they would get caught. And maybe ISU compliance people didn't fully understand themselves or communicate how locked-tight the gambling services/apps and their reporting are.

I'm not going to buy the idea that it wasn't clear enough that you can't do it and the punishment will be severe. People violate laws with severe punishments all the time. It's not that they don't know it's wrong, illegal, or will be severely punished. They do it because they don't think they'll get caught.

 

[RagingCloner]

Apparently it wasn't clear enough.

It was explicitly clear. Remsburg even admitted he used someone elses info to place bets because he knew he would get in trouble otherwise. They ****** up. Time to move on

 

[Land Grant]

This is beyond stupid. Makes Campbell look incompetent or hypocritical. Cannot decide which one, but they are both losers.

For all of you who dumbed my post, which of Campbell's mantras does this affair fall under? "Trust the process?" "Five star culture?" Player-driven leadership?" "Become the best version of yourself?" All these beloved Campbellisms ring pretty hollow now. Except maybe "winning in the margins."

 

[Clonefan94]

Bless your heart.

It's cute that you think this is some kind of education issue and if we had just done more hand-holding and pinky-swearing, we'd have avoided this. Would you be this generous if the accused players were from Oklahoma or Texas?

These guys knew the rules and defied them. Period.

Yeah, I really don't get the apologists for this, or those who are asking, "Who blew the whistle?" I personally don't care who did and I'm glad someone did blow the whistle, if that's the case. I don't want these guys on the team. This is such a blatant disregard for the rules and your teammates that I'd rather not have them around.

Is it going on at other schools in other states as well? I'm sure it is, but that is for the other teams to deal with. It doesn't make it right, just because these guys aren't the only ones. Maybe it's because I'm not a gambler, other than a couple friendly poker games here and there, but not gambling on sports shouldn't be that hard of a thing to do for a couple of years, when it literally means your career and the stability of the team.

 

[isucy86]

Understood. Just trying to get an overall context.

Personally, I'm not into gambling. Others are. That's their prerogative. I'm still trying to gain perspective on why all these athletes want to gamble. I have an opposite view. I just want to understand better.

I am not a gambler either- too cheap!

But I have close that have gambled on sports and live Vegas trips for over 30 years. For them it adds a level of excitement when watching games. I have grown to realize that gambling is just a form of entertainment. As long as a person doesn't spend beyond their means or it becomes obsession- it's like going to a movie.

But as a student athletes these kids have unique responsibilities and commitments the average person doesn't. Not sure how to react to the players actions- lack of discipline, selfish, gambling addicts. But if they bet on ISU athletics, they lost their right to be college athletes.

 

[RagingCloner]

For all of you who dumbed my post, which of Campbell's mantras does this affair fall under? "Trust the process?" "Five star culture?" Player-driven leadership?" "Become the best version of yourself?" All these beloved Campbellisms ring pretty hollow now. Except maybe "winning in the margins."

You are absolutely right. All of us that dumbed your brilliant well thought out post must be forgetting that these are 18-22 year old kids who always do the right thing. We should also hold Campbell accountable for Aidan Ralph throwing a girl down the stairs and assaulting her.

 

[CloneLawman]

For all of you who dumbed my post, which of Campbell's mantras does this affair fall under? "Trust the process?" "Five star culture?" Player-driven leadership?" "Become the best version of yourself?" All these beloved Campbellisms ring pretty hollow now. Except maybe "winning in the margins."

I won't dumb it because the optics ARE "turrible".

But I don't believe that CMC was cavalier about betting nor that he had the capability to monitor every player 24/7.

I do think that his mantras are aspirational and not always fully descriptive of current affairs. We all know ISU didn't win in the margins last year. And clearly, there was a failure of player-driven leadership on the betting.

I would guess that he does indeed feel horrible (and perhaps stupid). I'd wager he takes it to heart and changes some things up. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Trice]

Yeah, I really don't get the apologists for this, or those who are asking, "Who blew the whistle?" I personally don't care who did and I'm glad someone did blow the whistle, if that's the case. I don't want these guys on the team. This is such a blatant disregard for the rules and your teammates that I'd rather not have them around.

Is it going on at other schools in other states as well? I'm sure it is, but that is for the other teams to deal with. It doesn't make it right, just because these guys aren't the only ones. Maybe it's because I'm not a gambler, other than a couple friendly poker games here and there, but not gambling on sports shouldn't be that hard of a thing to do for a couple of years, when it literally means your career and the stability of the team.

Lots of folks really, really, really want people to be accountable for their own behavior. Until it happens to them, or their family, or players from a team they root for.

 

[houjix]

Why haven't any non-athletes been charged with tampering or underaged gambling? Surely the DCI has uncovered other illegal activities as a result of their investigation but it's hard to say at this point that they aren't specifically targeting Iowa and ISU football and baseball players.

They probably have, it's just that they aren't newsworthy. Also probably harder to to ascertain who they are since they aren't in the group of people that are being watchdogged.

 

[Tailg8er]

There are a lot of potential problems with shaving. The potential is there for a player (possibly) to negatively affect the outcome of previous games in order to create (the likelihood of) lower spreads in future games or better payouts as the opponent could be more strongly favored.. The lower the spread, the easier it is to cover. You also don't want guys to get pissy or be bad teammates to players who might have done something that causes the team to lose. Betting on your team creates a lot of potential issues, even when they aren't obvious up front.

Ok, while I don't deny that possibility exists for someone betting ON their team, I'd say in practice it's about as likely to happen as me winning the damn lottery.

These 18-22 year old kids, who more often than not only play/start for ~2 years at most, aren't running some long con playing ****** to get future lower spreads.. I'm sorry, that just ain't happening. And plenty of non-betting teammates get pissed at other players for playing ****** - so I also think you're over-blowing that potential issue.

Not trying to argue we should let them bet on their own team, I just think the potential issues are very minor.

 

[hrhill]

Why haven't any non-athletes been charged with tampering or underaged gambling? Surely the DCI has uncovered other illegal activities as a result of their investigation but it's hard to say at this point that they aren't specifically targeting Iowa and ISU football and baseball players.

I would wager a number of regular students, or general Iowa citizens, are nailed for gambling related crimes daily. The media just doesn’t give a damn, because no one else gives a damn enough, to report it and make it lead stories.

It’s like asking “why aren’t police investigating regular students for DUI, or assault, or MIP, or drugs? I never see it in the front page of the papers or talked about in the radio. They must be targeting the athletes”. They absolutely are being charged and gone after. It’s just not newsworthy.

Regular people are also less likely to have flags appear to the books. Any random person placing similar betting patterns isn’t going to cause a red flag because they aren’t doing it from a facility that betting isn’t allowed in. They aren’t placing bets from an account registered in NW Iowa to someone that lives and works there yet is placing bets in half way across the state at the same time as being at home. Even with that, I’d bet that happens and if it happens enough to trigger the security system within the books it will also be passed in to the DCI. If those people try to destroy their phones, messages, evidence, etc they too are charged with tampering.


This isn’t a conspiracy against Iowa and Iowa State.

 

[Land Grant]

You are absolutely right. All of us that dumbed your brilliant well thought out post must be forgetting that these are 18-22 year old kids who always do the right thing. We should also hold Campbell accountable for Aidan Ralph throwing a girl down the stairs and assaulting her.

You absolute *******. Players make mistakes. On the field, sure blame the coach. Things like this? Put your GD pitchfork away

Campbell hard sells his program's total culture, not just its on field results. That's his own, self-set standard. It makes no sense to just assign him the good parts but imagine he has no responsibility for the bad.

FWIW, I think (hope) Clone lawman has it right in his post above.

 

[isucy86]

As a friend and I discussed earlier tonight: are other underage college students being investigated? Have any officials been investigated? Any other insiders investigated? Until we hear otherwiswe, this appears to be a targeted sting against athletes for the sake of a "feather in the cap" of the various public officials involved.

That being said, what the athletes did was WRONG. But, these investigators picked on the low hanging fruit of youth, stupidity, and the athletes belief that they would never get caught.

That might be one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen on Cyclone Fanatic.

If someone reports a crime to law enforcement, when has it become the right thing for law enforcement to ignore the report!! At the time, DCI didn't know the extent of the athletes actions. A few bets on PGA golf, did they bet on their team's games. And if they bet on their own team's games, did they impact the game outcome?

 

[Cyhig]

Campbell hard sells his program's total culture, not just its on field results. That's his own, self-set standard. It makes no sense to just assign him the good parts but imagine his has no responsibility to for the the bad.

FWIW, I think Clone lawman gets it right in his post above.

To an extent, I can agree. But ultimately, CMC doesn't have control over the actions of his players outside the facilities.

 

[Carnegie]

For all of you who dumbed my post, which of Campbell's mantras does this affair fall under? "Trust the process?" "Five star culture?" Player-driven leadership?" "Become the best version of yourself?" All these beloved Campbellisms ring pretty hollow now. Except maybe "winning in the margins."

Not particularly good at winning in the margins, IMO.

 

[WooBadger18]

They are both wrong and deserve lifetime bans IMO, but yes betting on yourself is a lot better than betting against yourself. But they both affect the integrity of the game.

Another issue (which have been stated since you posted this) is that if you start betting on yourself to win every game, you basically can’t stop. Because if at any point you stop, that can be a signal to not bet on your team

 

[Drew0311]

I don't gamble so I am not sure how they caught them. They are underage. How does the gambling app allow them to place bets if they are under age? If they were doing it with someone else. How did they get caught. So strange.

 

[CycloneErik]

For all of you who dumbed my post, which of Campbell's mantras does this affair fall under? "Trust the process?" "Five star culture?" Player-driven leadership?" "Become the best version of yourself?" All these beloved Campbellisms ring pretty hollow now. Except maybe "winning in the margins."

Winning in the margins, betting the margins. It's all pretty much the same.

 

[RagingCloner]

Winning in the margins, betting the margins. It's all pretty much the same.

The thing i enjoy most about all of this is the iowa players that bet on Iowa games all took the under lol