ISU Student and Champion Golfer Celia Barquin Arozamena Murdered at Coldwater Golf Course

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I have golfed there many times and noticed the tarps and tents in the back of the 8th tee box. Brings up the question, where are the property lines normally established around creeks and rivers? I can only assume at this time that Coldwater personnel knew of the homeless living in the before mentioned areas. I realize this is all hindsight, but could have Coldwater had them removed if they were on there property?

Coldwater and the wooded area to the north is divided among three owners -- the city, the state/university, and private owners.

Behind #8 tee and north of the creek is city property. South of the creek (as well as the entire western half of the course) is state/university property. The path and right-of-way, formerly a railroad, that cuts through the middle, is city property. The eastern half of the course, as well as the wooded area to the north (also east of the path) is private ownership.
 

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A beautiful, intelligent, and talented young woman was brutally slaughtered in our backyard. As a society and a community we have failed her and her family.

As far as this thread it would be nice for us to demonstrate some humanity as it might be read by those who loved her. There is an appropriate place to argue about politics and it should be directed there.

My heart literally breaks for this woman and her family.
AND, her family will SCREAM OUT LOUD, when they hear that a homeless camp was entrenched in the shadow of her regular golf club.
 
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I’m mourning for this young woman that we have lost and for the university campus that I knew in the ‘70s

I don’t recall feeling unsafe and was able to enjoy walking and biking the beautiful campus without fear

And I don't know why you would feel unsafe today.
One death is one too many, but this doesn't change anything about the ISU campus you knew. It is still the same and safer than ever.
Ames and Iowa specifically are one of the safest places you can live and safer now that this POS is off the street.
 

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I completely get where you're coming from, but where do you move homeless people so they aren't a danger to anyone? Whose lives do you prioritize? Because in this scenario you're saying that homeless people should be kept away from college kids but moving them will inevitably get them closer to elementary school kids, or senior citizens, or some other population.

It's not unlike that psychiatric hospital Mercy wants to build in Clive. Everybody agrees on two things: 1) it's necessary and will fill a need in the community, and 2) it should be built by someone else's house, not mine.
There’s a great likelihood anyone against moving a homeless camp doesn’t have one on their block or even neighborhood. Empathy is high for the homeless, as long as they’re not down the street.

It’s very possible to move this camp to a location with a better risk profile. Of course, homeless in general depend on the very local population, which is why you don’t find them in large numbers in the middle of nowhere.
 
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You can't help everyone out of homelessness, not that we should stop trying, just some people want to live life their way and that is what they are going to do no matter out help is out there. The location of this homeless camp turned out to be dangerous to the area, no guarantee closing it or moving it will make Ames safer. Again that doesn't mean to don't try something.

I understand what you are saying, but 1 horrible incident by 1 person associated with the camp doesn't make campus or Ames unsafe. Fact is most people probably didn't even know there were homeless camps in the area because there are hardly any incidents.

But by all means carry on with the over reaction.
 

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This is the kind of reactionary decision-making process that leads to poor policy. This is a complex problem and the solution will not be simple, but probably complex.

Also, as human beings we always want to find a solution. Sometimes, there's just sick people who can't be helped and the crime could not have reasonably been avoided. Life doesn't always make sense. Some decisions people make are irrational.

I'm not saying that's the case here, as it may have been preventable if the facts suggest so, but it is too early to say and too early to conclude the problem was nearby homeless camps that need to be bulldozed. Your suggestion implies bulldozing them would have prevented this crime.

Regardless, so, so sad and tragic. Heartbreaking.
No doubt this is right, but something like this makes me so mad that I go through some probably irrational thoughts.
- I get tired of the mentally ill defense with violent crimes. As far as I'm concerned, any person that can commit some crimes like this is mentally ill to some extent. Mentally healthy people don't do that to another human being
- Sure bulldozing the encampment doesn't solve any root causes, but I think it is fair to question why the city/LE would let a group of people who are going to be more prone to drug/alcohol consumption, mental health issues, and potential for violence squat and concentrate in an area, particularly one that is relatively secluded yet adjacent to areas frequented by people, jogging/biking trails. Does it prevent something like this? Doubt it, but I do think there is a danger in allowing an encampment.
-There are two basic sides to both the incarceration and forcible commitment for mental health issues. One is the punishment/rehabilitation (incarceration) and treatment (mental health) side. That seems to get a bulk of the attention and drive decisions. Public safety is not taken into consideration enough in my opinion in theses cases. It is not someone's fault if they have a severe mental health issue that makes them dangerous to society. They still need to be committed for the sake of public safety.
-True, this guys rap sheet isn't filled with acts that come close to something this awful, but at some point it becomes clear that a POS like this has no interest in ever abiding by the law or being anything but a danger and a drag on society. Sentence him based on this, which should be obvious.
-Mental health funding - it's been covered well here.
-Prison overcrowding - as most have said, some prison sentences for non-violent offenses need to be abolished. As for the violent offenders and overcrowding, who gives a ****? Five of pieces of trash like this in an 8'x8' cell with two bunks works for me.

I know some of this may be irrational, but I think many of us are just so pissed off right now it helps to try to reach for anything that can be done.
 

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National golf media and PGA Tour players (Johnson, Fleetwood) are talking about this now. I don't know what that really has to do with anything but the story will be big.

Saw replies from Zach Johnson and LPGA on Twitter this morning. It is big, and scary as heck.
 

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I have golfed there many times and noticed the tarps and tents in the back of the 8th tee box. Brings up the question, where are the property lines normally established around creeks and rivers? I can only assume at this time that Coldwater personnel knew of the homeless living in the before mentioned areas. I realize this is all hindsight, but could have Coldwater had them removed if they were on there property?

From what is publicly available there are multiple parcels along the creek, and ownership on the north side where this person was staying is mixed between the golf course, the city, and private ownership.

I don't think it's one camp either. Back in 90's it was spread out along the entire creek, so you have to deal with multiple property owners.
 

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There’s a great likelihood anyone against moving a homeless camp doesn’t have one on their block or even neighborhood. Empathy is high for the homeless, as long as they’re not down the street.

It’s very possible to move this camp to a location with a better risk profile. Of course, homeless in general depend on the very local population, which is why you don’t find them in large numbers in the middle of nowhere.

Don't be obtuse. Nobody is against moving a homeless camp. They're against bulldozing or setting them afire as was recommended earlier.
 

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AND, her family will SCREAM OUT LOUD, when they hear that a homeless camp was entrenched in the shadow of her regular golf club.

I haven't seen any compelling argument that a "homeless camp" is any more or less of a danger than the apartment complexes (where this guy apparently sometimes stayed) that also border the golf course. Not all homeless are violent murders just because this guy is.
 

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All but one golfer on our roster is foreign. Imagine the scare this will put into their families. :(


I completed my undergraduate at a small private school in Iowa. That school has a pipeline of students, and has for years, from Columbia and Mexico. I was at an alumni gathering and the Pres of the school spoke. He said he is now being questioned from Columbian and Mexican families and school officials if Iowa and the US was safe. He said it was the first time in his 20 years that he was ever asked that. Let that sink in for awhile.
 

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I agree moving the homeless camps is kicking the can down the road.

However, we are talking about young and vulnerable people being in close proximity with people we all agree have a high rate of mental illness and substance abuse issues. People we're trying to attract to a community where we expect them to be safe and taken care of.

There is precisely zero reason to allow a hobo encampment that close to campus. None. It should be at the very least moved. If I was a student or a parent I would demand it.
But where do you move a homeless encampment to? Think anyone is going to want to have it moved close to their house, especially now? I have a ravine behind my house. If people started living back there I’d raise holy hell till it was dealt with.

The two sketchiest areas in the last town I lived in were a trail where vagrants and homeless congregated and a Salvation Army. Did not like my wife to run near there.
 

FinalFourCy

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Don't be obtuse. Nobody is against moving a homeless camp. They're against bulldozing or setting them afire as was recommended earlier.
Right back at you.
There are plenty here against moving it, while only one that suggested bulldozing or setting aflame, and even he didn’t ask the homeless be in it.

Don’t be obtuse. His primary point was to move and destroy the camp (bulldoze or fire), not to murder them.
 

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Story is fully national now. Ugh.

Got a Breaking News story from CNN on my phone.

I am so pissed and sad.

And like others have pleaded, will the lowly cave dwellers quit using this space to espouse your personal politics? JFC
 

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