ISU vs. CU postgame thread
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Whats this great foundation that Greg got when he got here???? Ohhh your talking about Jiri and Rashon... WOW!!!! National championship calliber there. No offense to them, they are nice guys but not exactly Kansas calliber. The rest of the team left, because Wayne encouraged them too. Its been repeated, documented and well discussed on this board that Wayne wanted nothing more then TO BRING DOWN ISU BASKETBALL FOR FIRING HIM....
AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! Why, oh why, do we have to put up with posts like this? It has been well-documented, actually, by Rahshon Clark's fiance, that Wayne did NOT tell his former players to leave is an attempt to get revenge on Iowa State.
This is one of the unfortunate side effects of the internet, I think. Some people think that having access to all sorts of information (or even just opinions or second-hand information) makes them a freakin' expert on everything, and I'm getting damn sick and tired of people demanding that others respect and beleive their own made up versions of what they consider as facts.
Sorry to go on a rant, but that comment there really p1ssed me off. Remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you are NOT entitled to your own version of the facts.
AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! Why, oh why, do we have to put up with posts like this? It has been well-documented, actually, by Rahshon Clark's fiance, that Wayne did NOT tell his former players to leave is an attempt to get revenge on Iowa State.
This is one of the unfortunate side effects of the internet, I think. Some people think that having access to all sorts of information (or even just opinions or second-hand information) makes them a freakin' expert on everything, and I'm getting damn sick and tired of people demanding that others respect and beleive their own made up versions of what they consider as facts.
Sorry to go on a rant, but that comment there really p1ssed me off. Remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you are NOT entitled to your own version of the facts.
No one can blame McDermott for Morgan getting fired and everyone here wants us to be successful, but ultimately, Pollard may have set the program back many years for "fixing" something that wasnt really broken in the first place..
Great post! I like you already, even if you are brand new.
For me, it's "water over the bridge" in regards to Wayne being fired and McD being hired. It's done with, it's over, it's time to keep on moving forward.
With that being said though, I do sometimes think myself that Pollard may have pulled the trigger a little bit quickly. I do think that McD is a better "x's and o's" and bench coach than Morgan, but I don't know if Wayne should have been fired for having one bad season, as disappointing as it was.
Great post! I like you already, even if you are brand new.
For me, it's "water over the bridge" in regards to Wayne being fired and McD being hired. It's done with, it's over, it's time to keep on moving forward.
With that being said though, I do sometimes think myself that Pollard may have pulled the trigger a little bit quickly. I do think that McD is a better "x's and o's" and bench coach than Morgan, but I don't know if Wayne should have been fired for having one bad season, as disappointing as it was.
Good posts ISUChippewa- I too want to look forward to the future, but people continue to bring up Wayne and I guess when a coach gets fired, there will naturally be comparisons to the new coach. So far Wayne stacks up pretty good, and as far as Wayne trying to talk kids into transferring, the one on the board in the best position to know the truth of that is Cyfan13, and I believe her. Wayne has never indicated any hate for ISU, though some would in his position. At the 100 year reunion they ran a clip on the big screen with former coaches, including Wayne. He was completely complimentary to the ISU fans and University with not a hint of bitterness. He was pure class all the way.
There's always the Hawks for "fans" like you.
I, for one, love any team that has Cyclones across their chest, and watch them no matter what.
I don't know what will happen but the signs at this point are not that encouraging.
Cant argue with you there. But now that we know how this season turned out... nothing new to say until next season is over.
CycloneErik
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I heard a rumor that every former coach we've had calls every player every year and tells them to leave, so that coach Mac never matches their records.
I can't remember where I heard this one. It might have been when I made it up. I'm not sure anymore.
No offense but how the hell can you say that now. I am waiting until year #4 to give my final judgement. McDermott has been working with a bare cupboard for the past two year due to transfers and bad luck. I want to wait until he gets his own players in here and they have a couple of years in his system.
Actually, I do not consider it my "problem" that people do not seem to comprehend relatively simple comments when written on this forum. I am not asking that anyone agree with me but don't continually take my words out of context of mis-characterize what I say.
I am not implying that I want to "win at any cost" but you seem to be implying that most of the teams that are winning must be cheating or recruiting bad character guys or something shady. Why is it so many of my Cyclone brethren seem to be fine with our losing if we have a "clean program"? I guess I don't find winning and running a clean program to be mutually exclusive things.
Let me preface this by saying that I think it is fair to be critical of Coach McDermott and be skeptical of whether or not his system is one that can lead to our long term success. To be honest, I am very annoyed that our offense does not result in us taking many high percentage shots, but I'm not yet convinced that it's not going to be better with time. It's hard to believe that it won't get better, actually. With that said...
It has been well documented on this board that year 2 in the McDermott era has been his worst at every stop, and I'm willing to bet that is without the extenuating circumstances that he has faced while at Iowa State in regards to player turnover.
If our criteria for a bright future is annual improvement, then people better stop saying Wayne got screwed because when was the last time our basketball team underachieved as much as his last one did?
It has been well documented on this board that year 2 in the McDermott era has been his worst at every stop, and I'm willing to bet that is without the extenuating circumstances that he has faced while at Iowa State in regards to player turnover.
If our criteria for a bright future is annual improvement, then people better stop saying Wayne got screwed because when was the last time our basketball team underachieved as much as his last one did?
Thanks for your explanation of various media sources to access Cyclone coverage. You have really enlightened me. On the second hand, why don't you get your Cyclone info from where you want and I'll do as I please.
I don't "rip" the coach, the players, or the program. But clearly you do care a great deal if anything you perceive as "negative" is uttered on this board...hence the beat down of the opposing voice to your thoughts. You and your friends are the ones that can't take "the facts"...not me. I have seen ISU play on TV several times this year. Frankly, I think many of you might be getting a "McCarneyesque" sales job from McDermott...I'm glad I don't "hear him talk" other than reading his quotes online...it gives me a much more unbiased basis of thought in my opinion.
What good are those NCAA Tournaments that McDermott took UNI to doing for ISU?
So lets see.... It took Orr 4 years to turn ISU around. Greg is still in year 2???? Lets compare in a couple more years. I'm sick of YOU comparing this over and over and over again. Hey you don't like Greg. WE GET IT!!! YOU ARE THE MOST NEGATIVE, ANNOYING PERSON I SEE ON THIS SITE.
Greg left North Dakota after 1 year. He left for a better job and an opportunity to coach the college he played at. LIKE YOU WOULDN'T DO THE SAME. I think everyone on this board would take an opportunity like that. You included.
So we are two coaches removed and 7 years from our Elite Eight experience. OMG.... WE SHOULD BE NATIONAL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR NOW.... There are several teams that get to the Elite Eight and never get there for a longer period then us.
Whats this great foundation that Greg got when he got here???? Ohhh your talking about Jiri and Rashon... WOW!!!! National championship calliber there. No offense to them, they are nice guys but not exactly Kansas calliber. The rest of the team left, because Wayne encouraged them too. Its been repeated, documented and well discussed on this board that Wayne wanted nothing more then TO BRING DOWN ISU BASKETBALL FOR FIRING HIM....
Take some of these and carefully unplug your computer. You write some of the most insane posts and I'm sure several people are now dumber for reading them.
Hey, I didn't bring up the comparison...coachdags did. Why don't you go back and read a little more closely.
When have I ever said I don't like Greg. I have just questioned whether we are making progress under his leadership. It has nothing to do with "liking" someone...Pollard liked McCarney but he showed him the door because the program was not progressing.
The bottom line is that, as I tried to point out, comparing what McDermott inherited and the job he has done early in his time at ISU to what Orr inherited and the job he did early is absolutely ridiculous. Orr inherited a much worse situation and did a much better job. Frankly, McDermott couldn't carry Johnny's clipboard in my opinion,
So lets see.... It took Orr 4 years to turn ISU around. Greg is still in year 2???? Lets compare in a couple more years. I'm sick of YOU comparing this over and over and over again. Hey you don't like Greg. WE GET IT!!! YOU ARE THE MOST NEGATIVE, ANNOYING PERSON I SEE ON THIS SITE.
Greg left North Dakota after 1 year. He left for a better job and an opportunity to coach the college he played at. LIKE YOU WOULDN'T DO THE SAME. I think everyone on this board would take an opportunity like that. You included.
So we are two coaches removed and 7 years from our Elite Eight experience. OMG.... WE SHOULD BE NATIONAL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR NOW.... There are several teams that get to the Elite Eight and never get there for a longer period then us.
Whats this great foundation that Greg got when he got here???? Ohhh your talking about Jiri and Rashon... WOW!!!! National championship calliber there. No offense to them, they are nice guys but not exactly Kansas calliber. The rest of the team left, because Wayne encouraged them too. Its been repeated, documented and well discussed on this board that Wayne wanted nothing more then TO BRING DOWN ISU BASKETBALL FOR FIRING HIM....
Take some of these and carefully unplug your computer. You write some of the most insane posts and I'm sure several people are now dumber for reading them.
Rahshon's fiance who posts on this board says this is flat out not true because she was involved with these discussions.
