ISU vs. CU postgame thread

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Over and over and over and over again...it never gets old.
 

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No one can blame McDermott for Morgan getting fired and everyone here wants us to be successful, but ultimately, Pollard may have set the program back many years for "fixing" something that wasnt really broken in the first place..

Great post! I like you already, even if you are brand new.

For me, it's "water over the bridge" in regards to Wayne being fired and McD being hired. It's done with, it's over, it's time to keep on moving forward.

With that being said though, I do sometimes think myself that Pollard may have pulled the trigger a little bit quickly. I do think that McD is a better "x's and o's" and bench coach than Morgan, but I don't know if Wayne should have been fired for having one bad season, as disappointing as it was.

I read this all the time on this board. What evidence is there of this in what we have seen of McDermott at ISU? I guess I watch and I know that we are not as talented as KU but I'm not seeing anything that tells me that McDermott is a great X&O guy in what I see.
 

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Wow...just wow. I'd answer that with specific examples but it would just be pointless and go straight over your head...and most likely lead to 768 more posts questioning whether or not McDermott is the right guy, that basically just all say the same thing.
I read this all the time on this board. What evidence is there of this in what we have seen of McDermott at ISU? I guess I watch and I know that we are not as talented as KU but I'm not seeing anything that tells me that McDermott is a great X&O guy in what I see.

 

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Thanks for your explanation of various media sources to access Cyclone coverage. You have really enlightened me. On the second hand, why don't you get your Cyclone info from where you want and I'll do as I please.

I don't "rip" the coach, the players, or the program. But clearly you do care a great deal if anything you perceive as "negative" is uttered on this board...hence the beat down of the opposing voice to your thoughts. You and your friends are the ones that can't take "the facts"...not me. I have seen ISU play on TV several times this year. Frankly, I think many of you might be getting a "McCarneyesque" sales job from McDermott...I'm glad I don't "hear him talk" other than reading his quotes online...it gives me a much more unbiased basis of thought in my opinion.

What good are those NCAA Tournaments that McDermott took UNI to doing for ISU?

Its posts like this that people dont like. You attack us so we defend outselfs and you attack again. McD is not giving a sales job he is tell us how it is, just listen to him. You say McDs resume isnt impressive, yet when it is given you say it doesnt matter what he has done in the past. How can you form an opinion on a guy that you havnet heard talk much. Some facts we try to tell you is the fact that the pieces are not all in place yet. You say you cannot compair this to coach Orr yet you compair it to everyother rebulid in the country.
I take it you dont like Coach MaCarney, what ISU coach do you like. Who would you rather have as coach and dont say Steve Lavin or BCS coaches. I am sure if they had wanted the job they would have called ISU. Coaches have a way of letting schools know when they are interested. When McD was hired he was wanted by other schools, but he wanted to be at ISU and ISU wanted him. Say what you want to attack me now because I am done fighting with you since it is very clear you want to get the last word.
 
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Wow...just wow. I'd answer that with specific examples but it would just be pointless and go straight over your head...and most likely lead to 768 more posts questioning whether or not McDermott is the right guy, that basically just all say the same thing.




Yes...that's it...I'm too dull-witted to understand the tremendously complex and certainly highly touted Greg McDermott "system". Thanks for reminding me!

However, I'd still love to hear your complex analysis of the typical ISU set...4 out and 1 in with the 4 out standing stationary and passing around the outside of the 3 point line with an occasional post entry that usually gets kicked back out and a desperation heave as the shot clock expires.
 

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Glad to see you agree...however, as I posted before it's pointless for me to go into it with you.
Yes...that's it...I'm too dull-witted to understand the tremendously complex and certainly highly touted Greg McDermott "system". Thanks for reminding me!

However, I'd still love to hear your complex analysis of the typical ISU set...4 out and 1 in with the 4 out standing stationary and passing around the outside of the 3 point line with an occasional post entry that usually gets kicked back out and a desperation heave as the shot clock expires.

 

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Its posts like this that people dont like. You attack us so we defend outselfs and you attack again. McD is not giving a sales job he is tell us how it is, just listen to him. You say McDs resume isnt impressive, yet when it is given you say it doesnt matter what he has done in the past. How can you form an opinion on a guy that you havnet heard talk much. Some facts we try to tell you is the fact that the pieces are not all in place yet. You say you cannot compair this to coach Orr yet you compair it to everyother rebulid in the country.
I take it you dont like Coach MaCarney, what ISU coach do you like. Who would you rather have as coach and dont say Steve Lavin or BCS coaches. I am sure if they had wanted the job they would have called ISU. Coaches have a way of letting schools know when they are interested. When McD was hired he was wanted by other schools, but he wanted to be at ISU and ISU wanted him. Say what you want to attack me now because I am done fighting with you since it is very clear you want to get the last word.


Go back and see who is "attacked" first, buddy. I just want to have a discussion about what is transpiring with the program and all of the sudden, because my opinion is not a mainstream one on this board, I am the point of the discussion and am ridiculed. If anyone has to defend themselves here...it is those that utter anything slightly out of the groupthink.

A great example of this is the groupthink of "McDermott is a great X&O coach"...stated often and rarely substantiated with anything other than personal opinion.
 

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Hey, guys... let's just remember to keep it civil.
 

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Well, it's already past my bed time and I still have to put the pins in my Greg McDermott voodoo doll before I hit the sack. I'm out!
 

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X's and O's...let's try for example our gameplan against Augustin of Texas this year...our gameplan to beat Missouri's press which was causing to's at a rapid pace...our gameplan vs Kansas last year...the last minute and a half of the game at Missouri last year was some of the best in game coaching I've ever seen...just a few gameplans and a couple x's and o's that Greg has done...you just obviously can't come to grasp the fact the talent on a team, is the most important factor in success...a horrible coach will win more with a great team, than a great coach will win with a horrible team, but you clearly don't realize that...Offenses look a lot better when the shots drop, or when a team has a guy that can get to the rim and finish. But right now our best penetrator is Garrett (who is a year of weights away from finishing on a consistant basis), and our best shooter (Lucca) is in street clothes. Tougher to execute when you don't have the guys to do it, but evidently you just can't grasp that.
 

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Wow it never ends....... season is almost over, let's let it go and look for better things in the future :yes:

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While the season has been a frustration, while the BB program has overall the last few years been a frustration, while a game like this is a frustration to lose (considering if we beat them here - we should beat them there/they are below us in the standings - all good arguments): I think the plan was not steller records or even just more wins than losses in the first few years; but for Coach put his system in, recruit/find players and get them into that system and start achieveing success and to compete in the upper half of the Big Xll on a consistant basis. Now I don't remember JP or Coach saying this would be done in exactly how many years, but I think it was implied hopefully year 3 into year 4. How we get there can be debated, but let's let the system being instilled run it's course. Keep believing BB will again rise in time ...
 

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We have a coach that has not finished Year 2 of his tenure and some people are ready to call him a failure. This is all after the following happened within a two year span:

1. Blalock and Stinson leave early for the NBA.
2. Taggart, Degand transfer. We return no guards for McDermott's first season.
3. McDermott gets a few months for his 1st recruiting class.
4. Our best player, Mike Taylor, gets booted from the team before Season two. Our starting point guard transfers. We return no guards for season two.
5. Our second best recruit gets hosed and forced to miss a year.

McDermott has yet to have the option of playing a guard with actual D1 experience. Do you think that is important at all?