JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

SCarolinaCy

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Good Post.

Spanier graduated from Highland Park High School (Highland Park, Illinois), and earned his bachelor's and master's degrees from Iowa State University where he was honored with the Distinguished Achievement Citation by the ISU Alumni Association in 2004.[2] He earned his Ph.D.. in sociology from Northwestern University where he was a Woodrow Wilson Fellow. While a researcher, he contributed to the publication of ten books and over 100 scholarly journal articles. As a family sociologist, demographer, and marriage and family therapist, he was the founding editor of the Journal of Family Issues.[3] Spanier was also an author of a study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior concerning the practice of mate swapping, or "swinging".[4]

Can't wait to see the spin the ISU Vision Magazine puts on it.
I highly doubt this. Don't be a ****.

WHAT are you highly doubting?
Graham Spanier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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I agree. At this point, I'd like to know exactly what JoPa was told. As of right now, his statement says he was told of an incident, but no details were given.

I'm not sure I believe that.

This is what Paterno told the grand jury.

Paterno’s response was to tell his boss. He called Curley at home, on a Sunday — he knew it was serious.

He told Curley that Sandusky had been seen “fondling or doing something of a sexual natureâ€￾ with a boy in the showers.

That is what Paterno said under oath.

OUR VIEW: Penn State's Graham Spanier, Joe Paterno need to leave as result of Jerry Sandusky case. Doing what the law required wasn't enough | PennLive.com

What I find terrible is that this stuff happened 13 and 9 years ago and its JUST NOW coming out...
 

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Yeah, it's better to not pursue child rape in favor of your career. I wonder why they kicked Sandusky off campus in 2002?


No, what I'm saying is: how strong his position was ? He was a GA, the only witness. It'll be a tricky situation. I am not familair with how things go from the legal side but this GA doesn't know the victim. How strong could his claim be ? Can he be accused of false accusation and then get countersued by the coach (which could have huge consequences due to the fact that the coach was powerful and well-known as someone who cared about young men).

It's easy for us to blame the GA for not doing anything other than reporting it to his superior now.

I agree that there could be a cover up effort by AD to quietly hush Sandusky off the program and hope that things wouldn't surface.
 

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+1. Unless he had a a chance to take picture (and he didn't - remember this one was in the late 1990s).

When you deal with powerful people, you need to be careful. Someone mentioned a case about the person who recorded Dave Bliss' conversation and now is blacklisted in the MBB Community.
Jan Gangelhoff (sp ?): who was a whistleblower @ the U of Minnesota basketball scandal was still despised until she passed away not so long ago despite doing the right thing.
In other professions: Sherron Watkins (Enron) and Collen Rowley (FBI) are the two examples that their professional careers ended after being whistleblower.
GA did the right thing and his Dad did the right thing.

I see what you are saying here but I have a very hard time believing that an indidivudal who reported the sexual molestation of a child would be blacklisted from the college athletic community.
 

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Yeah, it's better to not pursue child rape in favor of your career. I wonder why they kicked Sandusky off campus in 2002?

Except for this:
Embattled former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky continued to be a presence around the Penn State football program up to his arrest Saturday on child molestation charges, including working out multiple times in the team’s weight room just last week, according to multiple sources within the football program.

Sandusky remained a presence around Penn State last week - College Football - Rivals.com

I can't imagine a scenario where Penn State could handle this situation any worse.
 
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No, what I'm saying is: how strong his position was ? He was a GA, the only witness. It'll be a tricky situation. I am not familair with how things go from the legal side but this GA doesn't know the victim. How strong could his claim be ? Can he be accused of false accusation and then get countersued by the coach (which could have huge consequences due to the fact that the coach was powerful and well-known as someone who cared about young men).

It's easy for us to blame the GA for not doing anything other than reporting it to his superior now.

I agree that there could be a cover up effort by AD to quietly hush Sandusky off the program and hope that things wouldn't surface.

This is a disturbing view into your psyche...a weak position trumps the truth? There's no doubt that the GA would be attacked by PSU but according to the victim (and now subsequent victims) rape occurred. The strength/weakness of a claim is inconsequential if rape occured. And the GAs career is less important than preventing child rape.
 

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What I find terrible is that this stuff happened 13 and 9 years ago and its JUST NOW coming out...

These poor children. They were someone's babies, and nobody who could helped them.
 

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Except for this:


Sandusky remained a presence around Penn State last week - College Football - Rivals.com

I can't imagine a scenario where Penn State could handle this situation any worse.

They didn't kick Sandusky off campus in 2002... they told him to quit bringing kids to campus in 2002. More or less it was an acknowledgement of what he was doing to these kids on the Penn State campus and he was told to take that stuff somewhere else rather then being told to stop. It is insane how Penn State officials simply looked the other way on this whole thing. Disgusting.
 

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You can't be serious can you. Doing the right thing would have been stopping the rape, kicking the crap out of the pervert and taking the boy directly to the police. All things he could have and should have done.

Looking the other way and go report it your superiors so you feel better is not the right thing. NO ONE in this whole thing did any thing right, including Joe Pa. A child was witnessed being raped and not one person went to the police about it. I don't know how anyone can defend this as they did the right thing. If I saw a boss of mine raping a 10 year old boy you are damn right I am going directly to the cops about it, regardless if I am blacklisted or not. I could not sleep at night knowing what I had witnessed and didn't act on it.

I can understand the fear of retribution and I only hope I'd do the right thing ( I don't know it ) BUT there's simply no way that after a couple years passed I wouldn't come clean with what I knew. Who could keep this on their conscience?
 

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This is a disturbing view into your psyche...a weak position trumps the truth? There's no doubt that the GA would be attacked by PSU but according to the victim (and now subsequent victims) rape occurred. The strength/weakness of a claim is inconsequential if rape occured. And the GAs career is less important than preventing child rape.

Not disturbing, just realistic. Unfortunately in a lot of cases, this is the case.
Not just with the GA but also with the janitor(s) who witnessed the other situation(s). There was a reason why they didn't go to the police directly but reported it to their supervisors.

Anyone knows how long these investigations have been going on and what triggered the investigations ?
 

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Not disturbing, just realistic.Unfortunately in a lot of cases, this is the case.
Not just with the GA but also with the janitor(s) who witnessed the other situation(s). There was a reason why they didn't go to the police directly but reported it to their supervisors.

No, disturbing. There is no circumstance where not intervening to stop child rape is ok, none.
 

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Not disturbing, just realistic.Unfortunately in a lot of cases, this is the case.
Not just with the GA but also with the janitor(s) who witnessed the other situation(s). There was a reason why they didn't go to the police directly but reported it to their supervisors.

No, disturbing. There is no circumstance where not intervening to stop child rape is ok, none.

I get your point and I respect it. I believe everyone wished that the GA and the others could have done more than just reporting it and I 100% agree with it.

But you have to be blind to see that not everyone is as courageous as the others. I am not absolving the GA per se, but you see the trend with the janitors, the GA, even probably the AD officials to see that this is the case. We can ask lots of questions but we know the answers. The AD said that he was just notified of inappropriate behavior. Fine. Would a good boss ask what kind of behavior it was specifically ? Why didn't the police take into action the first time when a parent reported that her son didn't feel comfortable when Sandusky showered and touched her son ? Should the cops take more actions instead of just warning Sandusky ?
 
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Not disturbing, just realistic. Unfortunately in a lot of cases, this is the case.
Not just with the GA but also with the janitor(s) who witnessed the other situation(s). There was a reason why they didn't go to the police directly but reported it to their supervisors.

Anyone knows how long these investigations have been going on and what triggered the investigations ?

It appears that what triggered the investigation was when the mother of a child(vicitim 1) reported it to her son's school's assistant principal who notified authorities.
 

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It appears that what triggered the investigation was when the mother of a child(vicitim 1) reported it to her son's school's assistant principal who notified authorities.

Meaning the cops?

Hmm, his first inclination wasn't to tell the principal who would then inform the superintendent? That's odd.

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How has Paterno not been fired or put on administrative leave?
 

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How has Paterno not been fired or put on administrative leave?

On what grounds? Sure his whole story right now is icky at best, but the authorities have straight up said that he is not a target for their investigation. At this point, if he knows that something might come out, maybe he'll decide to step down on his own, but the investigators are making it sound like they don't think he did do anything legally wrong.
 

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On what grounds? Sure his whole story right now is icky at best, but the authorities have straight up said that he is not a target for their investigation. At this point, if he knows that something might come out, maybe he'll decide to step down on his own, but the investigators are making it sound like they don't think he did do anything legally wrong.
:shocked: He admitted to knowing about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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:shocked: He admitted to knowing about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he admitted to hearing an allegation, which he reported immediately. We have no idea what he was told about a possible investigation. We have no idea what other actions he may have taken or information he was privy to that his lawyer is telling him not speak about publicly at this time. There is a big difference between witnessing a rape (I think most of us agree that the GA should have intervened or called the police immediately) and hearing an allegation from one subordinate about another.

Like I said, it looks terrible, but he did fulfill his bare minimum legal obligation and the investigators don't seem to believe that he was actively covering it up like some of the other school officials seem to have been. I think, quite frankly, that Penn State and the investigators/prosecutors have bigger fish to fry than Joe Paterno at the moment. Do I think they should and will take a long at him eventually? Absolutely. I'm just saying that he's probably like the third priority at best of people who should be dealt with after Sandusky and the last person in the chain of people who were told and just sat on it.
 
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I have read that the authorities are hoping the young man that was witnessed being raped in the shower will come forward but I wouldn't be surprised if he's in a prison somwhere for committing the same crime that he was a vitctim of nine years ago. Very sad to think but wouldn't surprise me.
 

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