Jordan Harris to transfer
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People tend to remember the bad and not so much the good. Miller wasn't great but he made tackles. He could get off blocks.
I actually rewatch many games and focus on certain players. I hope Seeley plays to Miller's level.
It also usually strikes me as quite unfair to blame the guy who was put in the position he was put in. It wasn't like there was an all-conference LB sitting on the sideline and Miller played over him. He was the best available -- blame that on the coaching staff for not recruiting if you must.
Even though he wasn't ready when Jake went out, he worked and became a solid player.
If Seeley starts it's because we have nobody better and has nothing to do with the staff's ability to evaluate. These aren't their recruits they're playing with this season
Where you make tackles and how you make tackles matter. It also matters when they run to your side for big yards and you are too slow to get there.
I know what tackles Seeley gets credit for and the overwhelming majority of them are assisted/ hop on the player as he is going down. I'm sure he has had a couple of solo tackles but I can't remember any of them for the life of me and they are almost always as he is being dragged for an extra 2 yards.
Seeley doesnt have enough lower body strength and speed to make tackles and stop people at the point of the tackle.
And that matters. Tackle charts are nice. Reminds me of our previous free safety who was a terrible tackler most of his career but had tons of tackles. Everybody thought he was great due to the tackle chart.
They couldn't see that he was slow (abused in coverage) and was a terrible tackler. Anybody who went back and watched replays new the truth. Just terrible. But the coaches always bragged about how smart he was. Sound familiar?
Where are you getting those stats? That's borderline all-conference production. According to cyclones.com (link below), Seeley played in all 12 games and had a total of 23 tackles, none for loss. He had 12 solo tackles all year. Middle LB's get that by accident.
I get him being put in before he was ready- that happens some times. He's a great kid, sure. But you can't just make stuff up to back your argument.
http://www.cyclones.com/fls/10700/STATS/Football/2015_FB/teamcume.htm?DB_OEM_ID=10700
Exactly...to say if he starts, the coaching staff can't evaluate is just ridiculous.
My original statement stands. I'll take a guy that can actually understand a playbook and stay in position over a guy that can hit hard any day. From what Heacock has said in the past, he wants football smart guys that stick to his plan. If someone else stepped up and made the number of snaps Harris was going to get smaller, then I guess he should have done what was needed to win that job.
I wish Harris the best of luck at his next school. Now it's up to the guys still here to do the job.
These aren't their recruits? I'm confused. I thought they recruited this class of incoming recruits that doesn't have a juco linebacker in it.
A linebacker that more than one fan could see we need? Yeah, it was obvious.
I guess you could make the argument they couldn't find one but then I didn't see any even listed as being recruited. That means they evaluated the talent on hand and determined they didn't need a juco backer.
Huge mistake. Huge.
My original statement stand's. I will take a guy that can actually make plays over one that can't any day.
You realize we had guys like Jordan Harris, Levi Peters, and Luke Knott among others... Right?
So why was Jordan Harris beat out by a player who was a RS Freshman last year? We are playing a new defense this year. It is obvious that Jordan Harris was struggling and was inconsistent. Willie Harvey beat him out and so Jordan Harris decided to transfer rather than try to win his spot back.
So Jordan Harris lacked the confidence that he could win his job back or else Jordan Harris felt he was not confident in his abilities to adapt to the new defense. I am sorry to see Jordan Harris leave. IMO, he could have contributed to this team. Unfortunately, he did not want to try and earn his spot back and his playing time on the field as a Cyclone and preferred to move on.
Knowing football players in the past and knowing how they think I am guessing neither of your conclusions is even close to what he thinks.
Players don't leave because they think they are being treated fairly or someone just beat them out. They leave because they don't agree that they are being treated fairly or believe they are better than the player on front of them. Neither of those things may be true but that's what they believe.
Harvey may have been the one listed in front of him but it's the other linebacker spot that is the issue and I would be completely shocked if that wasn't why he left.
It's hard to blame him. He made so many more plays than Seeley. It's not even something someone can argue in a reasonable way.
They knew two of those guys weren't coming back or should have. Harris is on them then?
I'm confused again. Was Harris going to help or not? Sounds like you believe he was but the staff doesnt.
Which again begs the question...why no juco backer. Harris is the only one of the three that wasn't hurt or a below average backer.
Again? Why no juco backer?
People went from saying he was an all big 12 football player to a backup who we don't need anyway. So that is interesting.
It is a big blow to the defense. Just because he is slow in picking up new defenses doesn't mean he wasn't going to be ready by the start of the season. Additionally, he was the 3rd linebacker so the depth is really bad. Would have helped as well against physical run teams. Either way, best of luck to him and it may suck for next year but could give some young guys some early playing time do help them develop faster for future years.
It is a big blow to the defense. Just because he is slow in picking up new defenses doesn't mean he wasn't going to be ready by the start of the season. Additionally, he was the 3rd linebacker so the depth is really bad. Would have helped as well against physical run teams. Either way, best of luck to him and it may suck for next year but could give some young guys some early playing time do help them develop faster for future years.
Yes. Harris would have helped. We were obviously counting on him playing. Sounds like he was beaten out. IMO, as a former athlete, I would have a chip on my shoulder and work harder than ever, and beat the other guy out. I don't get the impression that Matt Campbell plays favorites or any such games. You earn your spot on the field. And 100% is always required.
As far as a Juco Backer. We now play 2 Linebackers on Defense. Not 3 Linebackers. We play a LEO at DE which is more of a hybrid DE and LB combo. Jordan Harris reminded me as being a definitely a MLB type. So not sure he was grasping the schemes of what a LB plays in our 4-2-5 defense. Juco Linebacker would have had to have been the right fit. A traditional MLB like Jordan Harris might have struggled just as much. And we had Jordan Harris on board, so WHY would you want to add another MLB that would have 2 years left and might not be a good fit.
IMO, the Coaching staff did an absolutely great job of recruiting. You want a Juco Linebacker, so tell me WHICH recruit you did not want. Because at the time it was thought we had over recruited in numbers. And we were likely looking at some greyshirts until recently.
Again, WHICH player in our recruiting class did you not want? And WHICH Juco Backer do you think we should have went after that we would have had a shot at?
Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, he actually wanted to play closer to home? I doubt he has NFL written on him. Could be that simple. Would he have beaten Seeley out, hell yes, barring a Miller type improvement from Seeley.
Just thinking out loud here but isn't it possible that are Are key and Harvey won't play at the same time? The 4-2-5 that TCU runs only has one "regular" LB and 1 guy more like Northrup. The LEO is more the the other LB with size...just wondering
That's my hunch. Cause Northrup is not a typical guy in the middle, but he did gain 14 lbs this year.
