Kenneth Lynn back?

[Aclone]

I'm still more impressed with a fast football player than a fast track athlete.

Who said that he wasn't a fast football player?

Because there are so many times when a player has to run farther than 100 meters in a single play of a game.

Point. I know that someone measured graphically how far Seneca traveled on "The Run". Anyone have the number?

Sorry I forgot but since you want to get serious about it, running from corner to corner of a football field is still only 101.5 meters. I never said anything about a 40. I would rather see a player who can be fast on the football field. training to run a specified distance as fast as you can is one thing, being able to change directions and make quick moves on the field is much more important.

Track speed is an indicator of football speed. My point is more that a slow track athlete will not be a fast football player. A guy who runs a 4.8 40, 11.5 100m or a 25.0 200m sans pads is not going to magically become a breakaway back once he puts them on.

Of course, if you are insisting that track speed has absolutely no relevance to football speed, Eric Dickerson, Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson and Adrian Peterson all ran a 10.4 100m or better. Oregon's running back James ran a 10.52, IIRC, at the Pac 10 Championships. The list goes on and on.

As far as whether 200m has any relevance to football speed--well, I recall that Tim Dwight was a 200m specialist--and he seemed to have plenty enough speed for football. Even for a little guy, with all of those pads.

 

[Yes13]

Brandon Spikes ran a 5.1 40 at the combine, and he dominated the SEC (SEC SEC) at Florida. He was good, because he had instincts. All these numbers basically mean next to nothing. Theres no one way to prove who is going to be good and whose going to suck from numbers.

 

[VeloClone]

I know that someone measured graphically how far Seneca traveled on "The Run". Anyone have the number?

One number that was thrown around was 135 yards. I have heard others as well, but this is the one that stuck in my mostly empty head.

 

[DurangoCy]

I'll put 2 cents in too, cause I usually have great opinions.

DBs - Give me the shuttle and 40 time all day
Slot Reciever - shuttle and 40,
Outside/Deep Reciever - 100 and 200

 

[Cyclonestate78]

If MU didn't want him back then why did they call him and try to get him back? I think Iowa backed off because of the problems they've been having with running backs and Miller has some issues. But if Gill can fix that, he could be a great get. Plus he's already in school and will be there for Spring ball. The entry requirements are the same for ISU and KU. Even with the Kenneth Lynn switch and ignoring KU's 2 4 stars, KU has 6 more 3 star players than ISU. So I don't think the classes look that similar.

At the end of the day will Gill be able to turn those "stars" into W's? I think the obvious answer is no.

Go watch a tape of their game at home against Kansas State. That will tell you all you need to know.

 

[CloneIce]

The question now is, will the staff let him come back?

Of course they will.

This is huge for us, we really needed another CB, and one with size and speed. One Texas recruiting analyst claims Lynn is a huge sleeper and was the best recruit in the Jayhawks class!

 

[Tre4ISU]

As far as KU, outside of the two four stars, I think we have a better class. I think Sam RIchardsen and Devondrick Nealy would be the two best players in their class and in the long term I see alot of projects in our class that won't lend to high class rankings. A guy like Irving who is a classic project, hurts our ranking because of what he is. Same with Lalk.

 

[brett108]

Very glad to have Lynn back. All signs point to him being here after signing day.

Also glad to see he has a good 200m dash. That gives me some comfort when he is in there. People will debate the times and validity of different track events on a football player, but it won't hurt. The last 200m specialist I can remember at ISU was Nik Moser. While his coverage left something to be desired, I will say one thing. No receiver on the opposing team was ever gone. He seemed to be able to catch anyone from behind.

 

[mt85]

As far as KU, outside of the two four stars, I think we have a better class. I think Sam RIchardsen and Devondrick Nealy would be the two best players in their class and in the long term I see alot of projects in our class that won't lend to high class rankings. A guy like Irving who is a classic project, hurts our ranking because of what he is. Same with Lalk.

I think it is irrelevant how a handful of self anointed recruiting expects rank our class versus KU's class.

I could start a recruiting website tomorrow and start assigning stars to players. I'm guessing that it wouldn't be long before people would be treating those rankings as credible.

Class rankings can also be misleading because some schools highly rated recruits probably won't qualify.

The true test will be reflected on the field. I'm putting my money on ISU's coaches. I believe our staff will prove to have a better eye for talent, and they will be better at developing/coaching that talent.

 

[trajanJ]

At the end of the day will Gill be able to turn those "stars" into W's? I think the obvious answer is no.

Go watch a tape of their game at home against Kansas State. That will tell you all you need to know.

Now that I will agree with you. I think he made very bad decision on his coordinators and that will end up killing him. I will give him the fact that he had a lot of key injuries before the season and ended up starting the youngest team in the conference, but I still think they didn't do a very good job coaching. This year it will be interesting to see what the team looks like. With a new AD he's going to have a very short leash. But at least he's bringing in a very good class for the future.

 

[trajanJ]

Looks like it's a done deal. KU's up against the numbers and they just picked up Marquis Jackson, so that would mean they know Lynn isn't reconsidering. Jackson's a great pickup that had offers from Nebraska and Arkansas but I really wanted Lynn. Congrats, I think he's going to be a good player in the future.

 

[IsUaClone2]

Very glad to have Lynn back. All signs point to him being here after signing day.

Also glad to see he has a good 200m dash. That gives me some comfort when he is in there. People will debate the times and validity of different track events on a football player, but it won't hurt. The last 200m specialist I can remember at ISU was Nik Moser. While his coverage left something to be desired, I will say one thing. No receiver on the opposing team was ever gone. He seemed to be able to catch anyone from behind.

Along with the blazing speed, Nik was the best ball-hawk I think I've ever seen. Unfortunately I've lost my copy of Nik stripping the ball from the Iowa receiver otherwise I'd post it. A great picture! Also I think he stripped the ball twice on the same play during a Colorado game. The receiver had a head start but Nik caught him just before the goal line and stripped the ball loose. A dogpile ensued. Nik jumped in and "recovered" the ball in the end zone for a touchback. I'd swear he took the ball out of someone's hands on the one foot line and drug it into the end zone for the touchback. In the same game, it was Nik, from his safety position, that caught up to and escorted Curvey into the end zone on Curvery's interception. Nik was fast and strong to do all of that while battling diabetes. Truly inspirational.

 

[ca4cy]

Along with the blazing speed, Nik was the best ball-hawk I think I've ever seen. Unfortunately I've lost my copy of Nik stripping the ball from the Iowa receiver otherwise I'd post it. A great picture! Also I think he stripped the ball twice on the same play during a Colorado game. The receiver had a head start but Nik caught him just before the goal line and stripped the ball loose. A dogpile ensued. Nik jumped in and "recovered" the ball in the end zone for a touchback. I'd swear he took the ball out of someone's hands on the one foot line and drug it into the end zone for the touchback. In the same game, it was Nik, from his safety position, that caught up to and escorted Curvey into the end zone on Curvery's interception. Nik was fast and strong to do all of that while battling diabetes. Truly inspirational.

+1 here. He is one of my all time favorite Cyclones. That kid could absolutely fly and he was ALWAYS around the football. He made some huge plays.

 

[CloneIce]

As far as KU, outside of the two four stars, I think we have a better class. I think Sam RIchardsen and Devondrick Nealy would be the two best players in their class and in the long term I see alot of projects in our class that won't lend to high class rankings. A guy like Irving who is a classic project, hurts our ranking because of what he is. Same with Lalk.

Nealy is a better RB prospect than Darian Miller despite his 4 stars, IMO. Miller put up big high school numbers but wasn't all that heavily recruited. His game reminds me of Jason Scales, great high school RB, but won't be a great college RB.

 

[Cydkar]

I guess we just disagree. I am still more impressed by a fast 200 meter runner than a 100 meter number.

I can't make sense out of this no matter how hard I try. Football speed is far more relevant to a 100m sprint than a 200m sprint. The strength and conditioning coaches will get the stamina built up if that's a concern.

There's a reason why they reference 40 yd dash times as opposed to even 100 yd dash. Running 100 yds is almost never done let alone 200.

 

[brett108]

Along with the blazing speed, Nik was the best ball-hawk I think I've ever seen. Unfortunately I've lost my copy of Nik stripping the ball from the Iowa receiver otherwise I'd post it. A great picture! Also I think he stripped the ball twice on the same play during a Colorado game. The receiver had a head start but Nik caught him just before the goal line and stripped the ball loose. A dogpile ensued. Nik jumped in and "recovered" the ball in the end zone for a touchback. I'd swear he took the ball out of someone's hands on the one foot line and drug it into the end zone for the touchback. In the same game, it was Nik, from his safety position, that caught up to and escorted Curvey into the end zone on Curvery's interception. Nik was fast and strong to do all of that while battling diabetes. Truly inspirational.

I didn't know that Moser was a juvenile diabetic. I still remember him beating Marquis Simmons on the 200 m dash at state. That was one heck of an upset.

 

[trajanJ]

Nealy is a better RB prospect than Darian Miller despite his 4 stars, IMO. Miller put up big high school numbers but wasn't all that heavily recruited. His game reminds me of Jason Scales, great high school RB, but won't be a great college RB.

Miller has a lot more explosion than Scales ever had and he's in school already so that is a plus. Personally I like Dreamius Smith better than Miller. But it never hurts to pick up RBs because they can end up helping in other ways.

I think Nealy is a great prospect and Standard also, but a lot of schools backed off of both of those guys because they are an academic risk. If they end up at ISU it will be worth the risk because both of them are really good.

 

[BooneCy]

I can't make sense out of this no matter how hard I try. Football speed is far more relevant to a 100m sprint than a 200m sprint. The strength and conditioning coaches will get the stamina built up if that's a concern.

There's a reason why they reference 40 yd dash times as opposed to even 100 yd dash. Running 100 yds is almost never done let alone 200.

I think it is more impressive that an athlete can maintain a high rate of speed for a longer distance. I have seen a lot of 100 yard dash athletes that just didn't equate to fast football players. I am more impressed with an athlete that can pull a 21 second 200 yard dash than a 10.5 second 100 yard dash.

The 40 yard is reference as an indicator to show a quick step, and it would be ridiculous to have lineman running 100 and 200 yard dashes.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I think it is more impressive that an athlete can maintain a high rate of speed for a longer distance. I have seen a lot of 100 yard dash athletes that just didn't equate to fast football players. I am more impressed with an athlete that can pull a 21 second 200 yard dash than a 10.5 second 100 yard dash.

The 40 yard is reference as an indicator to show a quick step, and it would be ridiculous to have lineman running 100 and 200 yard dashes.

Gymnasts do some things that are a hell of a lot more impressive, but that does not mean they are good at football.

As you have said, what makes a good 200m runner better than others is the last 100m. In football you care about how they run the first 100m or less, hence 100m ability > 200m ability.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Gymnasts do some things that are a hell of a lot more impressive, but that does not mean they are good at football.

As you have said, what makes a good 200m runner better than others is the last 100m. In football you care about how they run the first 100m or less, hence 100m ability > 200m ability.

Exactly. I am not worried about a RB's ability to outrun the defense for 80 yards if he isn't quick enough out of the blocks to hit the hole quick and get past the D-line and the linebackers. That ability to go from 0 to top speed quickly can make or break a RB. It doesn't do a guy any good to make a man miss if he can't get back up to top speed quickly.