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Frak

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Just stop. Seriously. Hoiberg has done more for ISU basketball than anyone in the history of the program. What was the guy supposed to do? Quit his job at Iowa State before the Bulls situation played itself out? Would you give up a 75 K a year job before you had assurance of employment elsewhere? Yeah now try 2.5 million a year. Guy earned the right to take his time on the BIGGEST decision of his life. Get out of here if y ou can't understand that. Hoiberg is pure class and you trashing him is 100% the opposite of class.

I agree with Swarthmore. If Hoiberg was set on going to the nba, which he seemed to be since he interviewed with four teams, then he should have stepped down earlier. Or at least he should have if he really cared about the program. Just say "I'm stepping down from isu to pursue nba opportunities ". If he doesn't get the Bulls job, he takes a year off to recover from heart surgery and he's still a multi millionaire. I'm not saying he's a bad guy for doing what he did...just that he put his own interests over isu's. Doesn't make him the devil, but he's not the saint that many here make him out to be.

I imagine if we would have hired Prohm in April instead of June, the program would be a lot better set up for this year and especially for next year right now.
 

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Are we seriously talking about Fred resigning and sitting out a year and forcing the new coach to come in and coach in his shadow and leaving all the fans to wonder what if every time there's a loss!? There's no way Fred would be that big of a jerk to Prohm. That's if ISU could get him and there's no way I'd want to take that job with a coach sitting out a year.
 

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We are in a thread about one of Prohm's recruits and you still have to bring up Fred? Wow, just Wow.
Prohm is the Cyclones new coach, his recruiting style will be different than the previous coach, his type of player will be different than the previous coach, his game plan will be different than the previous coach.....so stop comparing and bringing up the old coach at every single opportunity.

Sorry to be the old dude in the forum, but flashback to high school: Your rebound girlfriend broke up with you because you couldnt stop talking about your previous girlfriend. Seriously, it's what you are like right now.
 

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One of the things that drives me nuts about my wife is that something will upset her at work or socially, and she has a hard time getting over it. It has gotten to the point on a couple occasions where she is still fussing over it and letting it bother her MONTHS after the event. I try to talk through it with her and help her realize that whatever the upsetting event was, it has passed, and there is really nothing she can do about it but move on and live in the present. In a couple cases, it just doesn't matter - she just cannot move on!

Why am I bringing this up? Because that is precisely what is going on with some of you. The Bulls/Fred situation is over. There is NOTHING that anyone can do about it. It is time to focus on the future and stop rehashing something that won't change - no matter how much it is argued about. Move on.
 

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All I'm saying is that the guy isn't a saint. He's not the best thing to happen to isu athletics ever. And, he could have helped the program more by ending it earlier. Some people want to treat him like a deity for a couple of tourney appearances and one sweet 16. That said, I'm not saying I would have done things differently. I'm just a normal guy...and so is Hoiberg.
 

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I agree with Swarthmore. If Hoiberg was set on going to the nba, which he seemed to be since he interviewed with four teams, then he should have stepped down earlier. Or at least he should have if he really cared about the program. Just say "I'm stepping down from isu to pursue nba opportunities ". If he doesn't get the Bulls job, he takes a year off to recover from heart surgery and he's still a multi millionaire. I'm not saying he's a bad guy for doing what he did...just that he put his own interests over isu's. Doesn't make him the devil, but he's not the saint that many here make him out to be.

I imagine if we would have hired Prohm in April instead of June, the program would be a lot better set up for this year and especially for next year right now.

*****, please! Hoiberg is the only reason you or anyone else have high expectations for ISU basketball. The guy resurrected the program from one of its lowest points in history and took it to a place its never been before (preseason top five) in only FOUR ******* YEARS! The guy has given more to ISU as a coach, player, and ambassador than anyone I can think of.

There is always a transition period between coaches and it's never smooth. Do you really think if Steve Prohm had been hired three months earlier we would have landed Cheick Diallo and a bunch of other studs? Highly unlikely. Prohm has to prove himself next year before big time recruits start committing; that's just the reality of the situation.

Fred left ISU with an amazing roster and did it in a way that none of the players decided to transfer. Hell, even Giorgios is probably coming back. How often do you see that happen? Do you remember when Fred took over and half the team left after McDermott bolted for Craighton? Usually coaching changes are WAY worse.

Hoiberg was an amazing coach and we were lucky to have him as long as we did. If he liked coaching college hoops, I have no doubt he would have stayed at ISU for life. But he didn't; he's an NBA coach and got one of the most coveted jobs in the game. I for one am proud of him and hope the bulls play really, really well...when they aren't playing the Bucks.
 

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*****, please! Hoiberg is the only reason you or anyone else have high expectations for ISU basketball. The guy resurrected the program from one of its lowest points in history and took it to a place its never been before (preseason top five) in only FOUR ******* YEARS! The guy has given more to ISU as a coach, player, and ambassador than anyone I can think of.

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I disagree... We have high expectations for all our sports teams and it has zero to do with the coach and everything to do with our collective expectations. We have high expectations for football and the current set-up has really given us no hope. Yet our expectations remain high.

CFH was a coach here and now he's gone. Not good riddance but gone. Thanks for what you did but time for us to move forward in an exciting new direction.
 

Frak

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*****, please! Hoiberg is the only reason you or anyone else have high expectations for ISU basketball. The guy resurrected the program from one of its lowest points in history and took it to a place its never been before (preseason top five) in only FOUR ******* YEARS! The guy has given more to ISU as a coach, player, and ambassador than anyone I can think of.

There is always a transition period between coaches and it's never smooth. Do you really think if Steve Prohm had been hired three months earlier we would have landed Cheick Diallo and a bunch of other studs? Highly unlikely. Prohm has to prove himself next year before big time recruits start committing; that's just the reality of the situation.

Fred left ISU with an amazing roster and did it in a way that none of the players decided to transfer. Hell, even Giorgios is probably coming back. How often do you see that happen? Do you remember when Fred took over and half the team left after McDermott bolted for Craighton? Usually coaching changes are WAY worse.

Hoiberg was an amazing coach and we were lucky to have him as long as we did. If he liked coaching college hoops, I have no doubt he would have stayed at ISU for life. But he didn't; he's an NBA coach and got one of the most coveted jobs in the game. I for one am proud of him and hope the bulls play really, really well...when they aren't playing the Bucks.

No, I'm saying that if Prohm was hired a few months earlier, he could have signed better frontcourt depth than just Ernst (allowing for a better run in 2015-16) plus get a few transfers in line for 16-17.

Btw, I always have high expectations for isu mbb with the exception of McDermott.
 

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All I'm saying is that the guy isn't a saint. He's not the best thing to happen to isu athletics ever. And, he could have helped the program more by ending it earlier. Some people want to treat him like a deity for a couple of tourney appearances and one sweet 16. That said, I'm not saying I would have done things differently. I'm just a normal guy...and so is Hoiberg.

I agree, it's not as if other ISU coaches haven't gotten their teams into four consecutive NCAA appearances.
 

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I agree, it's not as if other ISU coaches haven't gotten their teams into four consecutive NCAA appearances.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about this. He can be a great coach and a good person. And that doesn't mean that he didn't hurt Iowa State with the way he left.

Would I take him back? In a heartbeat. Would I give up the last 5 years? Not a chance. But he did hurt Iowa State with the way he left.
 

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Second this. Let's just keep each thread for the topic at hand instead of this same old rehashed garbage.
Under your screen name it says moderator...make it happen.
 

Frak

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I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about this. He can be a great coach and a good person. And that doesn't mean that he didn't hurt Iowa State with the way he left.

Would I take him back? In a heartbeat. Would I give up the last 5 years? Not a chance. But he did hurt Iowa State with the way he left.

This. I just think the hero worship for someone who chose to leave gets old. And the thought that the recent run is far and away better than anything we've seen. That 99-00 team would have curb stomped any FH team.
 
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