Messingham & Wells switching coaching positions

[IsUaClone2]

It is also possible that rotation of coaches is part of the staff development plan. The only coaching position that wouldn't benefit from rotating into a different position is the head coach (even though I can make a case for Hoiberg swapping positions with Lutz for two games so that Lutz can say he won more than 400 games as a head coach which might entice him to stay longer). Although I never coached anything but my kids in grade school, I did this in the departments I managed. It always seems like someone is getting the smaller end of the stick but, in the long run, it works out better for all the coaches and the team to have experienced all facets of the program. It is also true that the lower you are on the totem pole, the more frequent the changes should be.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I thought the receiving corps was poor too. I'm just asking why
does it have to be all coaching issues as everyone seem to be suggesting. Maybe these guys were just not that talented of a group. Or maybe Wells did suck. Who knows for sure....not I.

Well, I think there's a certain combination there but I refuse to believe that Darks couldn't have gotten any better, Sed didn't have talent and money doesn't have talent. To me, it wasn't a deal where the guys weren't quick enough or fast enough. I thought, in general, throughout the season, we really struggled with coachable things such as getting off jams and sharp routes. I remember last year, watching some practice video and kind of denying to myself that routes were a little too "round." I do realize that our talent level isn't elite. I know we don't have Dez Bryant out there but I do think our talent was better than it showed. Was it Wells? I don't know that. I don't think Wells is a bad coach but I don't think it's working. I also think that some of us(including me) wanted to maybe blame the receivers because it made us feel better about our QB situation. All around, with the exception of things that had to do with ARob or Franklin, our passing game wasn't good. It needs to be. We have had a decent running game lately. Now, imagine what could happen if we make safeties play out of the box or at least make them think we can hurt them.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I think it is optimistic to think the passing game (and its problem)s will be noticeably different due to a new position coach.

 

[TheCity]

Maybe I was watching a different Iowa State, but from what I remember we are the only "spread/hurry up" offense that barely throws 25 passes a game (very hard to watch)....
Also going back and watching each game (don't quote me on this) I don't think Money drops a pass until the last game of the year...thus the term "dropsies" is irrelevant here.
FootballinTexas, I understand your frustration with the progression of the WR's. However the question I pose is this, if the WR's do perform at a higher level (which they will) who will get the credit? Will they say coach Mess is a genius? Coach Wells was terrible! Or our WR's just "developed" and stepped up? Tempo, energy, and thorough explanation is the difference in a good coach and a great coach. It takes a combination of the right coaching plus the tenacity of the players to be successful. But ultimately its the coaches job to make this players as good as they should be.

 

[istater7]

it's not good when a guy like jake was your best receiver. no offense to jake, I loved him and he was good but we had other guys that were more talented and athletic

 

[cyhiphopp]

Maybe I was watching a different Iowa State, but from what I remember we are the only "spread/hurry up" offense that barely throws 25 passes a game (very hard to watch)....
Also going back and watching each game (don't quote me on this) I don't think Money drops a pass until the last game of the year...thus the term "dropsies" is irrelevant here.
FootballinTexas, I understand your frustration with the progression of the WR's. However the question I pose is this, if the WR's do perform at a higher level (which they will) who will get the credit? Will they say coach Mess is a genius? Coach Wells was terrible! Or our WR's just "developed" and stepped up? Tempo, energy, and thorough explanation is the difference in a good coach and a great coach. It takes a combination of the right coaching plus the tenacity of the players to be successful. But ultimately its the coaches job to make this players as good as they should be.

All of the above, and you also have to take into account the QB play. If WRs show significant improvement this year it may have something to do with whoever is throwing them the passes.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Maybe I was watching a different Iowa State, but from what I remember we are the only "spread/hurry up" offense that barely throws 25 passes a game (very hard to watch)....
Also going back and watching each game (don't quote me on this) I don't think Money drops a pass until the last game of the year...thus the term "dropsies" is irrelevant here.
FootballinTexas, I understand your frustration with the progression of the WR's. However the question I pose is this, if the WR's do perform at a higher level (which they will) who will get the credit? Will they say coach Mess is a genius? Coach Wells was terrible! Or our WR's just "developed" and stepped up? Tempo, energy, and thorough explanation is the difference in a good coach and a great coach. It takes a combination of the right coaching plus the tenacity of the players to be successful. But ultimately its the coaches job to make this players as good as they should be.

City - been a while....how's money doin? I heard in Rhoads speaking of him that he is FINALLY back to 100% where he was when they recruited him in August of 2009? What i noticed most lacking last year was his burst. Do you attribute that more to conditioning or the injury? At Reedley he was listed as 6-3 and 190 and now he's 6-2 and 206. Has that additional muscle (weight) cost him quickness? I know Rhoads still says he's the fastest cyclone WR (would like to see him and west race cuz he's fast). From his games at Reedley the burst was evident, he was zip-zip gone....i truly hope he's back to that guy because we've been looking for the that athletic WR that on any catch can take it to the house....it will change so much on how teams defend us....last year in the Iowa game it was totally unbelievable to me that we didnt try more shots down the field because even in close ups of the trenches we could see the feet of Sash and Greenwood... I know his injury slowed him noticeable but how has he recovered (mentally-physically) because having been through that process with a knee injury there is a time when you just fear that its going to give out again, there definitely is a mental hurdle. Typically a knee injury for an NFL player is a 2 year rehab til their 100%...please tell us he's got that look back in his eyes that knows his body will be there when he needs to make that move.

So - i know from previous conversations that you always have high praise for Money's abilities and are usually pretty forthright with expectations. What are you envisioning for this season with Money - my prediction is he will be second on the team in catches with 54 catches lead the team with 781 yards and score 5 tds.....what are your thoughts....

 

[Aclone]

All of the above, and you also have to take into account the QB play. If WRs show significant improvement this year it may have something to do with whoever is throwing them the passes.

Or how well the offensive line is pass blocking. Or how well the running game is drawing safeties in. Again, it's a team effort.

One factor that some of you are ignoring is recruiting. Which I find odd, considering how people were patting Sane Burnham on the back for "his" signees. So I took a peek. Luke Wells is listed on Rivals as the primary recruiter in this class for Tad Ecby, Teddy Lampkin and Oni Omoile.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2011 Iowa St. Commitments

Perhaps there were more, since "primary recruiters" weren't listed for all players--but I think that's still a respectable group. Players people are excited about. Whatever the reason for the switch, it appears that Wells is a good recruiter.

 

[isufan]

Or how well the offensive line is pass blocking. Or how well the running game is drawing safeties in. Again, it's a team effort.

One factor that some of you are ignoring is recruiting. Which I find odd, considering how people were patting Sane Burnham on the back for "his" signees. So I took a peek. Luke Wells is listed on Rivals as the primary recruiter in this class for Tad Ecby, Teddy Lampkin and Oni Omoile.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2011 Iowa St. Commitments

Perhaps there were more, since "primary recruiters" weren't listed for all players--but I think that's still a respectable group. Players people are excited about. Whatever the reason for the switch, it appears that Wells is a good recruiter.

Maybe this change had more to do with recruiting than coaching. Maybe Rhoads wants Wells to spend more time on the road recruiting as this change will allow him to do so. That was the first scenario I thought of when I heard of the change.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Or how well the offensive line is pass blocking. Or how well the running game is drawing safeties in. Again, it's a team effort.

One factor that some of you are ignoring is recruiting.

Perhaps there were more, since "primary recruiters" weren't listed for all players--but I think that's still a respectable group. Players people are excited about. Whatever the reason for the switch, it appears that Wells is a good recruiter.

Maybe this change had more to do with recruiting than coaching. Maybe Rhoads wants Wells to spend more time on the road recruiting as this change will allow him to do so. That was the first scenario I thought of when I heard of the change.

Guys agree with you 100% see my post on page 3....i think with Wells being a younger guy and having the success he has had on the recruiting trail and Messingham focusing on recruiting locally, this has a lot more to do with it....

Also, the brashness of the WR position is probably better suited to a more experienced guy like Messingham that may have a bit more experience dealing with the ego that needs to be present in the wide receivers to be any good.....

Lets not forget also, Wells was a WR & TE coach at ULM and Messingham was the WR coach at 2 different universities. Thus both are familiar with their new roles. Would not be surprised to see Wells get a Recruiting Coordinator tag either....

 

[TheCity]

City - been a while....how's money doin? I heard in Rhoads speaking of him that he is FINALLY back to 100% where he was when they recruited him in August of 2009? What i noticed most lacking last year was his burst. Do you attribute that more to conditioning or the injury? At Reedley he was listed as 6-3 and 190 and now he's 6-2 and 206. Has that additional muscle (weight) cost him quickness? I know Rhoads still says he's the fastest cyclone WR (would like to see him and west race cuz he's fast). From his games at Reedley the burst was evident, he was zip-zip gone....i truly hope he's back to that guy because we've been looking for the that athletic WR that on any catch can take it to the house....it will change so much on how teams defend us....last year in the Iowa game it was totally unbelievable to me that we didnt try more shots down the field because even in close ups of the trenches we could see the feet of Sash and Greenwood... I know his injury slowed him noticeable but how has he recovered (mentally-physically) because having been through that process with a knee injury there is a time when you just fear that its going to give out again, there definitely is a mental hurdle. Typically a knee injury for an NFL player is a 2 year rehab til their 100%...please tell us he's got that look back in his eyes that knows his body will be there when he needs to make that move.

So - i know from previous conversations that you always have high praise for Money's abilities and are usually pretty forthright with expectations. What are you envisioning for this season with Money - my prediction is he will be second on the team in catches with 54 catches lead the team with 781 yards and score 5 tds.....what are your thoughts....

KMAC!
I honestly don't wanna shift the focus of the thread to Money. I wil inbox you majority of what you want to know. However I will touch on a few points.
-Money says he's feeling the best he has since freshman year at Reedley in regards to weight, speed, and strength (Max Bench @ 375 #1 amongst all players minus the OL/DL)
-Money commented about the position coach switch (and I quote): "It$ gon be betta"

My overall prediction for the Offense as a whole is more production. I don't know where any of the WR's will fall as far as numbers but I will say this, Coach Rhoads is a defensive minded coach but he wants to see us take more shots down the field. Between Jantz and JT one of them better have the ability to let it fly ACCURATELY!

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

KMAC!
I honestly don't wanna shift the focus of the thread to Money. I wil inbox you majority of what you want to know. However I will touch on a few points.
-Money says he's feeling the best he has since freshman year at Reedley in regards to weight, speed, and strength (Max Bench @ 375 #1 amongst all players minus the OL/DL)
-Money commented about the position coach switch (and I quote): "It$ gon be betta"

My overall prediction for the Offense as a whole is more production. I don't know where any of the WR's will fall as far as numbers but I will say this, Coach Rhoads is a defensive minded coach but he wants to see us take more shots down the field. Between Jantz and JT one of them better have the ability to let it fly ACCURATELY!

City - sounds great....many are questioning the wr crew based on last years performances including coach rhoads. I think the majority of that is because he expects more and because he knows that he cannot rely single handedly on the running game in the big 12, just too many explosive offenses. I've always thought that hermans kept the foot on the brake a bit too much. If you want to recruit good players these days, it has too look fun....trick plays are fun, creative ways of using guys ala florida with harvin is fun....handing off for a 4 yard run or 3 yard pass play just are not fun plays....these are the useful plays but we need excitement, unpredictability and excitement...oh yeah i already said that....

I think if we were to evaluate last years offense it would go like this:
Inconsistent. At times unstoppable, at times weak. That stems from a series of positions and not any position could be attributed with the success or failures. So for this year, i'm hoping that between Money, Darks, Lenz, West and company - we have the playmakers to stretch the field because as that field stretches - those shorter routes now become 20-30 yard gains and the running game will explode and the offense as a whole IMO will be more consistent. I want a 7 yard pass delivered on time, on the numbers and then lets be critical of who can do what or not...until i see that, i wont judge anyone...

To me, i'm hopin the guys are as excited as the fans to see just what this offense can do.....

 

[tazclone]

City - sounds great....many are questioning the wr crew based on last years performances including coach rhoads. I think the majority of that is because he expects more and because he knows that he cannot rely single handedly on the running game in the big 12, just too many explosive offenses. I've always thought that hermans kept the foot on the brake a bit too much. If you want to recruit good players these days, it has too look fun....trick plays are fun, creative ways of using guys ala florida with harvin is fun....handing off for a 4 yard run or 3 yard pass play just are not fun plays....these are the useful plays but we need excitement, unpredictability and excitement...oh yeah i already said that....

I think if we were to evaluate last years offense it would go like this:
Inconsistent. At times unstoppable, at times weak. That stems from a series of positions and not any position could be attributed with the success or failures. So for this year, i'm hoping that between Money, Darks, Lenz, West and company - we have the playmakers to stretch the field because as that field stretches - those shorter routes now become 20-30 yard gains and the running game will explode and the offense as a whole IMO will be more consistent. I want a 7 yard pass delivered on time, on the numbers and then lets be critical of who can do what or not...until i see that, i wont judge anyone...

To me, i'm hopin the guys are as excited as the fans to see just what this offense can do.....

I agree with the bolded part 100%. It is too bad that you followed it up by basically blaming the QB.

Every facet of our offense was inconsistent last year and it seemd like they could never get on the same page. When they did they looked like world beaters but that was very rare. If a WR was open, Arnaud missed him. If he hit them on the numbers, they dropped the ball or were tackled immediately. If someone was open, the OL didn't give Arnaud enough time to deliver. Everyone let everyone else down.

I just cannot get excited about this offense. Usually I will buy into the hype but I just won't this year. WE will have a new QB, lost our best receivers, will have a new RB, and lost our two most expereinced OL including our center. That is a lot to replace.