Will say if it's one of the Paulsons, I will be very unimpressed.
Title IX still weighs heavily on the calculus at D-I schools with scholarship football. Wrestling is actually growing at the D-2 and D-3 levels where balancing out football numbers with women's athletics is not as big an issue. According to Forbes, there are only 76 D-1 shools sponsoring the sport, a drop of 41 since Title IX took its toll.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristi...stling-isnt-at-division-i-level/#723ad4f2fcc0
I am not aware of any D-1 schools that dropped wrestling some time ago and later brought it back. I know there were some schools that rallied money to keep programs from being dropped.
I agree ISU should be competitive in this sport regardless of how many schools participate, based on its legacy alone. As far as I am concerned, if you have the program you should be fully committed to it. I am just willing to admit that none of this happened in a vacuum.
I have not read this entire thread, but to consolidate things and to keep some people happy, can we post this thread in the wrestling and basketball forums? Totally kidding!Fresno St did, or is, didn't they?
Title IX still weighs heavily on the calculus at D-I schools with scholarship football. Wrestling is actually growing at the D-2 and D-3 levels where balancing out football numbers with women's athletics is not as big an issue. According to Forbes, there are only 76 D-1 shools sponsoring the sport, a drop of 41 since Title IX took its toll.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristi...stling-isnt-at-division-i-level/#723ad4f2fcc0
I am not aware of any D-1 schools that dropped wrestling some time ago and later brought it back. I know there were some schools that rallied money to keep programs from being dropped.
I agree ISU should be competitive in this sport regardless of how many schools participate, based on its legacy alone. As far as I am concerned, if you have the program you should be fully committed to it. I am just willing to admit that none of this happened in a vacuum.
Pollard: Cale what would it take to get you to come back.
Cale: When pigs fly.
Pollard: I will have our scientist start working on it right now.
Dresser would love a shot at sticking it to Iowa every year but is committed in Virginia.
Thanks for the reply. I can respect that point of view. Here is a differing point of view that Bono fans could use:I've cut and pasted my post from another thread a few days ago that was in response to a question as to why people didn't like Bono and why he wasn't hired when KJ got the job. As I state, this isn't gospel but I have heard a lot of these things in ISU wrestling circles over the years, including multiple people hearing the same things as I posted with regard to the exchange with Askren. Take it for what it's worth.
I don't have ANY inside info so I can only speak to what I heard from other fans over a couple beers now and then. A lot of Bono's problems weren't what he was, but what he wasn't. He wasn't a flashy wrestler. He was obviously very sound and it served him well, but he wasn't a high flyer and when people had Heskett and Sanderson on the brain he didn't carry the entertainment value. Whatever his role on Douglas' staff, he wasn't Cael. Cael was always the golden boy and Bono was in his shadow, so when it came time to replace Cael, the guy that was in his shadow didn't make enough of a splash. Finally, he wasn't head coach at a big time program and the whole co-coach with Terry Brands at UTC was confusing. I remember people discussing that they didn't think he had enough recruiting ties or a big enough name to recruit to the level we needed.
There was also the rumor/story that when Bono was talking to the Paulsons at some tournament about their official visit during their recruitment, Ben Askren (who some said really wanted to come to ISU) came up and asked when he could make a visit and Bono basically told him he wasn't good enough to warrant one. Again, that was a story that went around and I don't know if there is a lick of truth to it or not, but it was still held against Bono by plenty of people.
Again, consider the source and take it fwiw, but fair or not, these are all things that I've seen/heard brought up with regard to Bono. At the end of the day, he was a solid candidate to replace Cael, but Pollard and most of the fan base wanted something more than solid.
We had to build an outdoor track - we didn't have one. It's not very fancy.If I'm a betting man, one of the paulsons will be our next coach. Pollard will take the easy way out here and give it to one of them. It shows Pollard has no interest in wrestling like we have all known. I get losing recruits will suck, especially a nice recruiting class like this, but if we don't do this right, we'll be sitting in this same spot a few years down the road.
The thing that ticks me off about Pollard is about the track and cross country stuff, that sport will never generate any money hardly for the university and yet we build a new complex and hire a top 5 coach, we know where Pollards allegiance is at.
We had to build an outdoor track - we didn't have one. It's not very fancy.
I could appreciate that, but think you do what is best for the program in the long run. I'm okay with KJ staying on for the rest of the season if hiring from the outside. If I were AD and had thoughts of hiring Travis as next HC, I would turn the reigns over now. One can learn a lot by reading the actions of the wrestling community, future recruits, and current wrestlers. If Travis is worth considering, then the current seniors should certainly understand such a move and would support him.I think this is respect for a big redshirt senior class. I think Lelund, Quean, Earl and John for sure have a lot of respect for KJ and they get to finish their careers with KJ in their corner.
To your point about Pollard's apathy towards wrestling: he was very passionate in convincing Martin Smith from OU to take the ISU track/field job. More aggressive in that hire than even football or men's basketball, from what I hear. Wouldn't take no for an answer.Ok point taken, but if you've ever been in a wrestling room, they aren't too fancy either and i'm betting it may have cost less than that whole setup.
Thanks for the reply. I can respect that point of view. Here is a differing point of view that Bono fans could use:
1. The Askren story (which I've also heard) happened when Bono was a young assistant (maybe even his first year). He did make a mistake but most importantly it appears he has learned from it and become a better recruiter. I've never hear other similar story's and I'm sure he's still kicking himself about the one that got away.
2. History of success - The last time JP looked at hiring Bono he wasn't at SDSU yet. The uptrend of SDSU's program and the assistant coaches he was able to hire says a lot. Not to mention the way his wrestlers compete.
3. Not a flashy wrestler - I agree. This might be a blessing. One weakness that many agree upon within the state of our current program is developing non-blue chip wrestlers. Bono has built a reputation of being a workhorse who might be able to relate better to a Andrew Sorenson type guy. Being in Cael's "shadow" and playing second fiddle to Mcllravy might just be the motivating factor that drives him to success.
I'm not saying he should be #1 on JP's list but I would definitely support him and give him a fair chance to build this program into a contender if he's the chosen one.
Thanks for the reply. I can respect that point of view. Here is a differing point of view that Bono fans could use:
1. The Askren story (which I've also heard) happened when Bono was a young assistant (maybe even his first year). He did make a mistake but most importantly it appears he has learned from it and become a better recruiter. I've never hear other similar story's and I'm sure he's still kicking himself about the one that got away.
2. History of success - The last time JP looked at hiring Bono he wasn't at SDSU yet. The uptrend of SDSU's program and the assistant coaches he was able to hire says a lot. Not to mention the way his wrestlers compete.
3. Not a flashy wrestler - I agree. This might be a blessing. One weakness that many agree upon within the state of our current program is developing non-blue chip wrestlers. Bono has built a reputation of being a workhorse who might be able to relate better to a Andrew Sorenson type guy. Being in Cael's "shadow" and playing second fiddle to Mcllravy might just be the motivating factor that drives him to success.
I'm not saying he should be #1 on JP's list but I would definitely support him and give him a fair chance to build this program into a contender if he's the chosen one.
We had to build an outdoor track - we didn't have one. It's not very fancy.
I agree with everything you are saying except for number 3 (the flash). He was as flashy as many wrestlers to wear an ISU singlet. Maybe he had a hard time pinning his opponents, but he was a takedown machine and he rarely was ridden. He never got tired and was always pushing the action. We could use a little of that infusion!!!