Notre Dame

[vmbplayer]

Seeing Chip Brown's tweet about ND moving non-football sports to the Big 12. Let me be the first to say that if they don't want to be a full member of the Big 12 I don't want them.

I have absolutely no issue with Notre Dame being in the Big 12, in fact I would love to have the Irish. However, I don't want to be a league that has members that aren't full participants in every sport they compete in that the conference offers. I don't like opening that door. If you want in a conference join the conference. Don't use the conference for your convenience of scheduling in the sports that aren't revenue producing. We don't need ND basketball or Womens Tennis to be a viable athletic conference and having notre dame in those doesn't really add anything for the league in terms of value.

The school while an excellent undergrad institution doesn't really provide all that much as far as I know in terms of grad level work that leads to research dollars.

So that leads me to ask. Unless ND football may join down the road. Why add them? What do they offer other than football that is all that coveted?

 

[CyBer]

Do not want (unless they are fully here).

 

[kilgore_trout]

agreed.

 

[benjay]

I'd hate to be a temporary landing spot for them to eventually join the Big 10 as a football member.

 

[isuno1fan]

Been discussed, but I agree...no thanks

 

[alarson]

Agreed completely. Be a full member or not at all. Willing to accept a transitional plan (they're contractually obligated to a LOT of games for the next several games, and it would be expensive to buy those out to fit into our conf schedule), but no unconditional join without everything being brought in.

More big picture, the last thing we need is to set a precedent that this is something accepted in this league. One of the biggest things keeping UT from going independent in football is that they have no acceptable place to park their other sports. If we allow ND in for everything but football, then it gives Texas reason to make that OK too, if they so desire in a few years.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Yeah, the only reason that I could see to do this now, would be to lock them up for the future. If/when the top conferences all start going to 14, then 16, all of the conferences will be scrambling to find top shelf additions. At some point, in the superconference future, ND may be put into a positon where they HAVE to join a conference or lose their chance ever reach a BCS level bowl. If, at that time, they are tied to the Big12 in everything other than football, it would be a logical decision to become a full member.

That's the only positive I can see from that move.

The negative is that it might open the door to UT going independent for football. I really don't think that is going to be a viable option for anyone (even ND) in the future though.

 

[pikecy10]

Another benefit for having Notre Dame, which the Big East currently takes advantage of, is scheduling in football. Being an independent, they can schedule whoever they want to with football, and by locking them in with other sports, we can lock them in to play 4 or 6 big 12 teams a season. This would undoubtedly be a transition to a full membership in the Big 12 at some point down the road, but remember all of the TV revenue and TV sets that Notre Dame adds, that would be a nice addition to the Big 12 and Iowa State.

Dont be so quick to shoot down this idea, as Notre Dame will HAVE to join a conference at some point in the future, and getting them involved in the Big 12 might just help us in the long run.

Yeah, the only reason that I could see to do this now, would be to lock them up for the future. If/when the top conferences all start going to 14, then 16, all of the conferences will be scrambling to find top shelf additions. At some point, in the superconference future, ND may be put into a positon where they HAVE to join a conference or lose their chance ever reach a BCS level bowl. If, at that time, they are tied to the Big12 in everything other than football, it would be a logical decision to become a full member.

That's the only positive I can see from that move.

The negative is that it might open the door to UT going independent for football. I really don't think that is going to be a viable option for anyone (even ND) in the future though.

 

[dtlantz]

If they were a member in everything in football, would they have to pay the full exit fee if then went somewhere else in a few years?

 

[cyhiphopp]

Another benefit for having Notre Dame, which the Big East currently takes advantage of, is scheduling in football. Being an independent, they can schedule whoever they want to with football, and by locking them in with other sports, we can lock them in to play 4 or 6 big 12 teams a season. This would undoubtedly be a transition to a full membership in the Big 12 at some point down the road, but remember all of the TV revenue and TV sets that Notre Dame adds, that would be a nice addition to the Big 12 and Iowa State.

Dont be so quick to shoot down this idea, as Notre Dame will HAVE to join a conference at some point in the future, and getting them involved in the Big 12 might just help us in the long run.

Good thinking. It would be pretty nice to take advantage of NDs NBC contract to get extra TV spots for games in the future. Any "non-conference" game at ND would get national coverage, and we could use a Big12 slot for another game. That would benefit Big12 teams even if they aren't scheduling ND. If UT and OU want to go to ND and be on NBC, that give ISU another TV slot for one of our non-con games.

 

[pulse]

As I said in another thread, Texas likes the idea because they have a lot of time to fill on the LHN. They want games like TX vs ND in baseball, soccer, volleyball, etc, etc on their schedule.

 

[cyhiphopp]

As long as there is a hand shake deal included ensuring that ND join the conference in the event that they have to join a conference, I'm cool with it.

As for the B1G, I think aligning with the Big12 like this would burn some bridges for ND.

 

[JCloned]

Do not want (unless they are fully here).

I think you are missing the benefits, even if football never joins. Their deal with big east includes football games in mon conf schedule, 3-4 I believe. Those games are worth about a million dollars per school. Even if ISU gets ND every 3 years, I think it would be great to have a home and home with ND. Money, recruiting, and just lots of fun for cyclones fans. ND is solid pickup for conf in non football sports as well.

Besides if they do decide to join a conference in fb, the odds of it being big 12 go up substantially if there other sports are already there.

 

[TedKumsher]

Don't
see
a
down-
side.

 

[goldmember]

I think it would be a great addition.

 

[vmbplayer]

Don't
see
a
down-
side.

You don't see a downside in setting the precedent that it's okay to add a school who uses the conference like a booty call for scheduling all the sports that are not revenue adders while holding onto a sweetheart deal on the one thing that is good for the benefit of the conference?

It's the exact same logic that led to the near collapse of the Big 12 twice already! It's unequal revenue sharing because one school is getting benefits the rest don't get to experience. Inequity and perceived injustices that drive schools to get ****** and leave?

Do you really want to go through all this again after we are finally going to be on equal ground with the rest of the conference. ND football is what makes them attractive that's all. Allow them to hold onto that and they have a bunch of other sports that don't provide value, but they are pretty good at frequently. So they come in and win a bunch of championships in sports that don't add monetary value away from the schools who are all in with the conference and in exchange are allowed to use the conference for their scheduling purposes and provide nothing in return.

count me out.

 

[Win5002]

Initially I don't like ND for all sports other than football, but if they have to play 6 games each year with Big 12 schools then the Big 12 gets 3 televised contests each year for their tier 1 rights. What does this add to the value of tier 1 rights when renegotiated?

 

[GoCubsGo]

So if ND is required to play Big 12 teams in football on a rotating basis, then every 3 years our schedule would be 9 conference games, Notre Dame, Iowa, and ______. That is not a schedule leading to success.

 

[Clark]

Initially I don't like ND for all sports other than football, but if they have to play 6 games each year with Big 12 schools then the Big 12 gets 3 televised contests each year for their tier 1 rights. What does this add to the value of tier 1 rights when renegotiated?

Wait, what? They're not joining in football, but the Big 12 is going to require them to schedule 6 games against Big 12 schools? That doesn't make sense

Anyway, I don't see a lot of benefit for the Big 12 in this.

I also don't see much benefit for ND. Why would they leave the Big East (which isn't going anywhere as a basketball/non revenue sports conference)?

 

[WalkingCY]

ND will never join a conference in football. Why would they? They sched anyone they want, every game will always be nationally televised/even the road games, and if super conferences form you don't think the BCS will add a 10-2 or 11-1 Irish team to a BCS level game? You're fooling yourself. ND basketball also brings in a lot of $$$ too, thus why the ACC doesn't care if they only have non-fb sports.....making those sports highly sought after as well. (Last I checked the ACC has been the the top league or near the top in hoops for a couple of decades now.) Again, anything ND = $$$

I would like for ND to have all of it's other non-fb sports in this conference, but I can see the side of people getting worried that more problems can come of this "allowing it to have it their way." But come on, ND is a NATIONAL brand with a HUGE following, even in the other sports. I think the Big 12 should do this if they ever are interested. But I have a feeling they will be heading to the ACC for "other sports."