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Seriously. What do people expect them to say? That they or their staff should be fired, or that their players suck?

Personally, aside from the occasional rare gaff from Campbell (fanbase vs kicker, "our goal isn't to win the big 12"), what they say is literally meaningless and has no bearing on actual reality. It's lorem ipsum in verbal form.

I care about the product on the field, and that product has gotten unwatchable.

This. Leaders can't throw their guys under the bus, or flail their arms in the air and yell "the sky is falling". They have to project confidence and control. Even if inside their head they want to shred someone. You do that in private.
 

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This is just stupid. In Big 12 play we averaged 34.8 PPG last year. The prior year it was 34.7. This year it's 14.7.
The players aren’t as good as previous years…there’s no doubt about that. To say otherwise is not only untrue but a slap in the face to Purdy, Kolar, Hall, and Allen. However…the defense also lost key contributors, and they haven’t skipped a bit. Either the drop off is so significant that most of our offense shouldn’t be seeing major playing time in the Big 12 or our offensive coaching staff isn’t creative/nimble enough to coach and call plays to match the strengths of our players.

Consider that if our offense was producing half as many points per game as last year, we are probably 5-1.
 

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The players aren’t as good as previous years…there’s no doubt about that. To say otherwise is not only untrue but a slap in the face to Purdy, Kolar, Hall, and Allen. However…the defense also lost key contributors, and they haven’t skipped a bit. Either the drop off is so significant that most of our offense shouldn’t be seeing major playing time in the Big 12 or our offensive coaching staff isn’t creative/nimble enough to coach and call plays to match the strengths of our players.

Consider that if our offense was producing half as many points per game as last year, we are probably 5-1.

Correct. I just don't think we need to rewrite history to say our offense hasn't been good. It's been quite good, at least more than good enough to be very competitive. This year is a massive outlier. This isn't a Brian Ferentz situation where he's never been good and it's getting worse.

I think two things can be true. The offense has been good with this staff and we should be patient. The offense this year is quite bad and things can't continue this way. Whether that's somebody on staff being removed or not I can't say, and we're still only 50% of the way through the season.

Ultimately I think this is a lost year and I just hope we get to 6 wins so they can get that extra practice time and a bowl. I don't think we have the talent to just flip a switch and start being even a good offense. Some changes can be made but those aren't the changes that are typically made midseason.
 

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This. Leaders can't throw their guys under the bus, or flail their arms in the air and yell "the sky is falling". They have to project confidence and control. Even if inside their head they want to shred someone. You do that in private.
Where has anyone said that they expect CMC to throw anyone under the bus or say things are all doom in a press conference? I think most would just like a see a different set of actions on the field.

Everyone understands why you must be a politician and engage in coach speak in press conferences. However, when what you do is 100 percent the opposite of what you say you are doing or wanting to do it makes it a little difficult to assign any seriousness to the actions or the words. I believe the term for it is "credibility gap".
 

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Correct. I just don't think we need to rewrite history to say our offense hasn't been good. It's been quite good, at least more than good enough to be very competitive. This year is a massive outlier. This isn't a Brian Ferentz situation where he's never been good and it's getting worse.

I think two things can be true. The offense has been good with this staff and we should be patient. The offense this year is quite bad and things can't continue this way. Whether that's somebody on staff being removed or not I can't say, and we're still only 50% of the way through the season.

Ultimately I think this is a lost year and I just hope we get to 6 wins so they can get that extra practice time and a bowl. I don't think we have the talent to just flip a switch and start being even a good offense. Some changes can be made but those aren't the changes that are typically made midseason.

I don't think it's re-writing history to say that our offense in the past wasn't as good as it could have been. A bad scheme, executed well with all-time great players will probably get results in spite of itself. That's where I and several others are at.

I think that message is getting misinterpreted.
 

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This preview was spot on.
While none of it was surprising it's tough to hear our O-line is rated dead last and we've had a whopping eight TE targets for the year.
 
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This. Leaders can't throw their guys under the bus, or flail their arms in the air and yell "the sky is falling". They have to project confidence and control. Even if inside their head they want to shred someone. You do that in private.
The point is, this is why you dont put a lot into coach press conferences. It is just coach speak, even if its well disguised coach speak.

The initial post on the topic was saying how much info and great the Tuesday conference was, and not "Coach speak". Point is, it is always coach speak.
 

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I am not the one that is saying we have run an ample amount of deep routes beyond 10, 15 or 20 yards. Seems to me no one has proven anything more than possibly a couple routes the last couple games and a few more that after catch yards that managed to go just beyond 10.

You are trying to say I made a huge exaggeration when the facts say I didnt, hell if you watched the video posted it all but confirmed what I stated with facts. I just happened to say none instead of almost none, because it appears I missed a couple. Somehow you think by saying we ran 2 proves that we did, It just proves that we are closer to what I said than what you are trying to portray.

But then again I'm the one that is responding like a 10 year old. Get over yourself.

We are running almost no plays with routes beyond 10 yards, or at least very few. Some of that because our line can not protect the QB something I have been saying for weeks, and also stated in the video, but everyone wants to put all the blame on Dekkers. Dekkers is having trouble but a lot of that is being a young QB that has very little time, because the line is not protecting him. Our run game is anemic, at best. And that is because our line again is not doing their job. Everything starts with the line, Always!

We can all argue but in the end, are we calling these types of plays because we cant run anything else, or because we cant come up with something else. I believe it is the first. We are struggling on the line, where it all starts, which causes, issues in the run game, which affects the pass game, we are also struggling in pass blocking, which is causing us to only call quick short passes. All of this is leading us to have a not very productive offense.

Here in lies the problem. Our line, why is our line not improving? Why for years is our line performing poorly? What is the cause? In years past we had the experience and the skill players to overcome a poor line, now we dont, and it shows. Our line has the experience, they should be developed by now and doing better. But they are not.

We can complete passes down field, when we have enough time. The problem is, the plays we have either dont work with the protection we have, we dont call bootlegs etc. to get the QB out of the constantly collapsing pocket and give time for the play to develop. They wanted Purdy to stand in the pocket too, and that drastically hurt his production than when they let him get out and move. We are replacing our run game with short passes, but then not supplementing in longer passes. Running 3 yard routes on 3rd and 10 makes no sense and we did that a lot the last few games. Every practice, every game, every football team I have ever been involved in, was always taught you run those past the sticks, ALWAYS.
Lol the video literally says 58% of Hutchinson's targets are at 9 yards or less. Any idea how far the other 42% are?
 

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The video has a lot of good information and tells us the results of bad play, but what is the source? That's the tough part, and I'm definitely not qualified to assess with much accuracy. The one piece of insight that I agree with is that we are not using Noel correctly. He should be putting more pressure on defenses downfield with his speed.

But if you think that video says that we're not running any routes past 10 yards, I have to question your comprehension skills. A better argument would be that we're not targeting receivers 15+ yards downfield.

Whether that's scheme, lack of talent, gameplan, coaching, bad QB play, poor route running, bad OL play, I don't know. I suspect it's all of the above. Not a satisfying answer, but pouting that we don't run any routes past 10 yards is silly.
 

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Lol the video literally says 58% of Hutchinson's targets are at 9 yards or less. Any idea how far the other 42% are?
I was talking over the last couple games. 58% of his targets takes the first 3-4 games into account as it is a number from the entire season, when we were throwing much more vertical, the last 2 games have been the real issue.

I am still waiting for you to tell me what you think is the issue in your expert knowledge. You come in and criticize what someone says is part of the issue, even though it was obvious hyperbole. But you have no real answer to what in your opinion to what the problems are.

Are we running guys at or around 10 yards, sure. Are we targeting them much, no. Are we running many deeper than 15 yards, not much. Are we targeting them, also very rarely. Why. Is it because we don't have the plays, is it because Dekkers cant hit them, is it because our line cant give him enough time? What? This was my point. But you obviously cant understand hyperbole, and you criticize my comprehension.

Our 4 games we were doing a better job, and I would say even against Baylor we did. The horrible stack of penalties and how they changed our gameplan and play calling in the end is what did that game in.

You said it yourself you dont know....but you sure like to tell others you know more than they do.
 

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Nice video, would love to have this for Iowa State game weeks.
 

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So it’s Mannings fault that Dekkers stares down X and can’t be accurate? Interesting.
Possibly…sort of. It’s possible on the plays being called, X is running a route the play is designed to get open (at least as a #1 option). I’m at least tempted to believe that may be true.

It’s not hard to get into a rhythm as a play caller when you have multiple (very dangerous) weapons. If the defense has to respect Kolar running a seam route, X running a deep cross, and Allen coming across the middle…with Hall in the flat as a safety valve. You’re good to go. Then whatever the outcome of that is, you mix it up to one of the others, start mixing routes and finding their soft spots and weak players…and pretty soon it’s the equivalent of a boxer going right, left, cross, body, upper.

We don’t have those weapons, so it is admittedly a harder job for Manning, but he needs to start getting creative to develop threats. Maybe you’ve got a guy who doesn’t run great routes, but he’s fast. Send him deep…and throw it to him occasionally. That will expand the field. Maybe you’ve got a guy who is slower but has good hands. Use him like a Wes Welker or Julian Edelman…a 5-7 yard out guy or just past the sticks.

You can even run some option sweeps (and possibly get the tight end involved that way with it being RPO.

They just need to stretch beyond their comfort zone and make better use of what little they have.
 
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The players aren’t as good as previous years…there’s no doubt about that. To say otherwise is not only untrue but a slap in the face to Purdy, Kolar, Hall, and Allen. However…the defense also lost key contributors, and they haven’t skipped a bit. Either the drop off is so significant that most of our offense shouldn’t be seeing major playing time in the Big 12 or our offensive coaching staff isn’t creative/nimble enough to coach and call plays to match the strengths of our players.

Consider that if our offense was producing half as many points per game as last year, we are probably 5-1.
There's a way to do this gracefully without saying you're more talented than you've ever been.
 

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CMC addressed in Tuesday’s presser that the timing was just a little off on a bunch of things. Sometimes the OL was a bit out of place and needed to give Hunter just a smidge more time, sometimes something else will be just a tick off.

The point was that they’re close—and he was being honest about it. No “coach speak”.

I’m surprised more people don’t listen to these.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the offense puts it all together and we actually beat Texas. Not counting on it, but wouldn’t’t be surprised, either.
I hope you're right. It doesn't look that way to me.

They look more than a tick off, and have for the last 3 games. I guess we'll see.

I do hope to see some improvement.
 

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I hope you're right. It doesn't look that way to me.

They look more than a tick off, and have for the last 3 games. I guess we'll see.

I do hope to see some improvement.
I hope to see improvement too. I was hoping to see improvement against K-State but it looked like a sidestep and a step backwards. I'll take any improvement now whether its win, loss or close loss ;)
 
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Here is how the stats will show after the game:

Time of possession: Texas 26:32, ISU 33:28

Scoreboard: Texas 31, ISU 6

Hope scoreboard reversed.
 

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