offensive line gets roasted by Texas Homer

[VeloClone]

I wouldn't say he is terrible. I think it's mainly timing (and blocking). Some of the called runs get met before the line of scrimmage, and a lot of them are scrambles where he takes off too late. I'd like to see just a few called draws, and then a little more awareness of the gaps that open in the rush. There have been a few sacks where he probably should have taken the opening that presented itself to run rather than hold on for that extra second.

I think he has in his head that he is like Roethlisberger since he was so much bigger than the defenders in high school. Big Ben could often take a defender's hand on him and not go down still having time to get the pass off. He just needs to learn when to take off and get the yards that are there and when to throw it away. There are a lot of series where the ISU offense would have been okay with 2nd and 10 or 3rd and 5 but he waited too long and took the sack so they were instead facing 2nd and 16 or 3rd and 12.

He'll learn.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I think he has in his head that he is like Roethlisberger since he was so much bigger than the defenders in high school. Big Ben could often take a defender's hand on him and not go down still having time to get the pass off. He just needs to learn when to take off and get the yards that are there and when to throw it away. There are a lot of series where the ISU offense would have been okay with 2nd and 10 or 3rd and 5 but he waited too long and took the sack so they were instead facing 2nd and 16 or 3rd and 12.

He'll learn.

To be fair, if the roster weights are correct, he was a bit more like Roethlisberger until he lost the weight over the offseason. That may be part of it.

 

[VeloClone]

To be fair, if the roster weights are correct, he was a bit more like Roethlisberger until he lost the weight over the offseason. That may be part of it.

My point exactly. But even at the heavier weight, not many QBs are going to be able to stay standing very long with Big 12 pass rushers hanging off of them.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Oh so we ran 2, jeez sorry for the huge exaggeration. I'm sure you will throw a dumb on this too.

Frankly the first several games we were taking more shots down field the last few not so much, the last 2 almost none. It is like we miss one and we never try again. But yeah 1 or 2 out of 40+ pass plays counts right.

I'm not the one saying we haven't run any routes past 10 yards. There's a difference between attempting those passes and not running routes at all. But by all means, feel free to continue to respond like a 10 year old.

 

[2speedy1]

I'm not the one saying we haven't run any routes past 10 yards. There's a difference between attempting those passes and not running routes at all. But by all means, feel free to continue to respond like a 10 year old.

I am not the one that is saying we have run an ample amount of deep routes beyond 10, 15 or 20 yards. Seems to me no one has proven anything more than possibly a couple routes the last couple games and a few more that after catch yards that managed to go just beyond 10.

You are trying to say I made a huge exaggeration when the facts say I didnt, hell if you watched the video posted it all but confirmed what I stated with facts. I just happened to say none instead of almost none, because it appears I missed a couple. Somehow you think by saying we ran 2 proves that we did, It just proves that we are closer to what I said than what you are trying to portray.

But then again I'm the one that is responding like a 10 year old. Get over yourself.

We are running almost no plays with routes beyond 10 yards, or at least very few. Some of that because our line can not protect the QB something I have been saying for weeks, and also stated in the video, but everyone wants to put all the blame on Dekkers. Dekkers is having trouble but a lot of that is being a young QB that has very little time, because the line is not protecting him. Our run game is anemic, at best. And that is because our line again is not doing their job. Everything starts with the line, Always!

We can all argue but in the end, are we calling these types of plays because we cant run anything else, or because we cant come up with something else. I believe it is the first. We are struggling on the line, where it all starts, which causes, issues in the run game, which affects the pass game, we are also struggling in pass blocking, which is causing us to only call quick short passes. All of this is leading us to have a not very productive offense.

Here in lies the problem. Our line, why is our line not improving? Why for years is our line performing poorly? What is the cause? In years past we had the experience and the skill players to overcome a poor line, now we dont, and it shows. Our line has the experience, they should be developed by now and doing better. But they are not.

We can complete passes down field, when we have enough time. The problem is, the plays we have either dont work with the protection we have, we dont call bootlegs etc. to get the QB out of the constantly collapsing pocket and give time for the play to develop. They wanted Purdy to stand in the pocket too, and that drastically hurt his production than when they let him get out and move. We are replacing our run game with short passes, but then not supplementing in longer passes. Running 3 yard routes on 3rd and 10 makes no sense and we did that a lot the last few games. Every practice, every game, every football team I have ever been involved in, was always taught you run those past the sticks, ALWAYS.

 

[Dannynoonan]

Dekkers seems really thin- like he has tried to lose weight (just an observation).
Also, Dekkers has missed Hanika on some huge plays- one for a td in the first three games and for sure against KSU last week crossing the field around 12-15 yds.

 

[Aclone]

Dekkers seems really thin- like he has tried to lose weight (just an observation).
Also, Dekkers has missed Hanika on some huge plays- one for a td in the first three games and for sure against KSU last week crossing the field around 12-15 yds.

CMC addressed in Tuesday’s presser that the timing was just a little off on a bunch of things. Sometimes the OL was a bit out of place and needed to give Hunter just a smidge more time, sometimes something else will be just a tick off.

The point was that they’re close—and he was being honest about it. No “coach speak”.

I’m surprised more people don’t listen to these.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the offense puts it all together and we actually beat Texas. Not counting on it, but wouldn’t’t be surprised, either.

 

[cygrads]

Dang, that was quite the production. A yuge amount of work there just in editing all of that video.

Agree and he's not wrong about any of it.

 

[cygrads]

I agree. I could see 35-10 type game.

Yep, but I don't see us scoring a touchdown.

 

[davegilbertson]

CMC addressed in Tuesday’s presser that the timing was just a little off on a bunch of things. Sometimes the OL was a bit out of place and needed to give Hunter just a smidge more time, sometimes something else will be just a tick off.

The point was that they’re close—and he was being honest about it. No “coach speak”.

I’m surprised more people don’t listen to these.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the offense puts it all together and we actually beat Texas. Not counting on it, but wouldn’t’t be surprised, either.

The two bolded things can both be true, but feels much more likely that his assessment or your judgment that it's not coach speak aren't accurate.

The staff should watch this video If they aren't having this kind of accountability already.

 

[shagcarpetjesus]

You are trying to say I made a huge exaggeration when the facts say I didnt, hell if you watched the video posted it all but confirmed what I stated with facts. I just happened to say none instead of almost none, because it appears I missed a couple. Somehow you think by saying we ran 2 proves that we did, It just proves that we are closer to what I said than what you are trying to portray.

What “facts” point to your assertion being right here? It seems to me the video says we have a high completion percentage when we throw deeper routes and maybe we should look for more targets downfield. That’s not wrong, maybe a good idea even, but what does it have to do with your magical 10 yard boundary claim? What facts suggest that we rarely run receivers beyond 10 yards?

I went back and pulled up our first drive from the K State game. We had 5 passing plays on that first drive and guess what? Every single one had at least one receiver running a route beyond 10 yards.

2nd and 5 - 5 wide, slot receivers run 5 yard crossing routes, 2 receivers run routes beyond 10 yards, receiver wide on the bottom is off screen by the time of the snap so not sure what he did

3rd and 5 - 4 wide, Hanika runs aggressively beyond 20 yards and off the screen, X runs a slant and gets about 11 yards deep by the time we complete a pass to Stanley for 9 yards

1st and 10 - 3 wide, all 3 receivers run beyond 10 yards because we are trying to set up a screen

2nd and 10 - 3 wide, our TE (I think it’s Dean) runs a route beyond 10 yards, we complete a pass to Noel for 6 yards

3rd and 4 - 5 wide, Hanika runs deep again beyond 15 yds, X runs a slant about 10 yds deep, incomplete pass and we have to punt

I could take a look at the next drive too if you want, but I’m very curious about your facts that say I’m so horribly wrong.

 

[2speedy1]

What “facts” point to your assertion being right here? It seems to me the video says we have a high completion percentage when we throw deeper routes and maybe we should look for more targets downfield. That’s not wrong, maybe a good idea even, but what does it have to do with your magical 10 yard boundary claim? What facts suggest that we rarely run receivers beyond 10 yards?

I went back and pulled up our first drive from the K State game. We had 5 passing plays on that first drive and guess what? Every single one had at least one receiver running a route beyond 10 yards.

2nd and 5 - 5 wide, slot receivers run 5 yard crossing routes, 2 receivers run routes beyond 10 yards, receiver wide on the bottom is off screen by the time of the snap so not sure what he did

3rd and 5 - 4 wide, Hanika runs aggressively beyond 20 yards and off the screen, X runs a slant and gets about 11 yards deep by the time we complete a pass to Stanley for 9 yards

1st and 10 - 3 wide, all 3 receivers run beyond 10 yards because we are trying to set up a screen

2nd and 10 - 3 wide, our TE (I think it’s Dean) runs a route beyond 10 yards, we complete a pass to Noel for 6 yards

3rd and 4 - 5 wide, Hanika runs deep again beyond 15 yds, X runs a slant about 10 yds deep, incomplete pass and we have to punt

I could take a look at the next drive too if you want, but I’m very curious about your facts that say I’m so horribly wrong.

So you missed all the ratings and percentages, you missed all the other data he talked about beyond the 20 yard completion percentage? The data about our Offensive line? None of that?

Did you happen to count how long it takes for a rusher to be on Dekkers? I counted a lot sitting in the stands and I can tell you he had rushers on him in 2 seconds or less many plays. He has no time, which is part of the reason we are concentrating on short passing plays, but I guess you didnt read anything other than what I said in the first post.

If you guys are such geniuses what is the problem. Why are we one of the worst offenses in CFB? Why have we lost 3 in a row. Apparently you think we are running awesome plays, and are running plenty down field. Are you the guys that blame everything on Dekkers? On the Kicker? My belief is we are not adjusting to the defenses, we are not adjusting to our players, we are trying to force them to run "our" offense no matter what. Mannings bread and butter offense is one with 2 quality tight ends, one with decent line protection, and running game. All things we are short of this year. He wants a QB to stand in the pocket instead of moving and rolling out.

That needs to be adjusted because with our current lineup its not working. But I dont know if Manning has the ability to change.

But maybe you know more....lets hear it. I would love to hear your expertise.

 

[RustShack]

The problem is since going to conference play the offense is being called like we still have Purdy, Hall, Kolar, and Allen as well as obviously X. Dekkers is a gun slinger and not a game manager. He needs to be running 3-5 wide. Not 2-3 TE, hand the ball off and make some short throws.

 

[joefrog]

CMC addressed in Tuesday’s presser that the timing was just a little off on a bunch of things. Sometimes the OL was a bit out of place and needed to give Hunter just a smidge more time, sometimes something else will be just a tick off.

The point was that they’re close—and he was being honest about it. No “coach speak”.

I’m surprised more people don’t listen to these.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the offense puts it all together and we actually beat Texas. Not counting on it, but wouldn’t’t be surprised, either.

Imagine believing that. I mean, I truly hope he isn't lying, but after this season and last, I don't see any reason to buy it.

I honestly think we are essentially "tipping" our plays. Other teams almost seem to know exactly what we are going to try and run, either from formation, personnel, a combination, or something the line or QB is doing.

Either that, or our offense really does stink.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

What I'd do for WVU's offense right now lol

 

[CycloneSpinning]

Amazing analysis. Makes me feel bad for Heacock and the defense. The offense just has to start figuring things out.

 

[BryceC]

Purdy, Hall, and Kolar weren’t any better last year…. it wasn’t a good year. Purdy didn’t throw deep either.

This is a Manning problem, not the players.

This is just stupid. In Big 12 play we averaged 34.8 PPG last year. The prior year it was 34.7. This year it's 14.7.

 

[BryceC]

The point was that they’re close—and he was being honest about it. No “coach speak”.

I’m surprised more people don’t listen to these.

Ferentz says they are close every week too.

I don't listen to them because they are 100% coach speak. I don't trust anything anybody says in those.

 

[quasistellar]

Ferentz says they are close every week too.

I don't listen to them because they are 100% coach speak. I don't trust anything anybody says in those.

Seriously. What do people expect them to say? That they or their staff should be fired, or that their players suck?

Personally, aside from the occasional rare gaff from Campbell (fanbase vs kicker, "our goal isn't to win the big 12"), what they say is literally meaningless and has no bearing on actual reality. It's lorem ipsum in verbal form.

I care about the product on the field, and that product has gotten unwatchable.

 

[BryceC]

Seriously. What do people expect them to say? That they or their staff should be fired, or that their players suck?

It's an outward communicating thing. You'll see a CEO always come out and say they are just about the turn the corner every time they talk to the media if the business is in a slump.

When these guys talk to the media, they actually aren't talking to the media or fans, especially during the season. They are talking to their staff and players and continuing to set the narrative. I don't expect anything more than that and with extremely rare circumstances that's all you're ever going to get.