Official ISU-KU postgame thread

acgclone

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Young does good things out there. Good things happen when he is on the court. He was getting outworked tonight after only a few mins of being in the game.


Young will be fine next year, but he's incomplete right now. Lost on D, and almost never rebounds.
 
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We are an above average team and consistent rebounding is what kills us and will kill us all year. Regarding Lard, my thoughts are only if he is killing it in practice and rebounding well. It's time to play him. Look at it this way, either he's REALLY good and the real deal and can help this team and be the x-factor in a deep run. If he is that good, what's the chances of him sticking around his whole time? Would mostly likely declare early for the draft. If he's not good, we'll add him to the bench of our poorly recruited big men. It's just not fair to guy's like Monte to not play the best players you have for the "future" in today's college basketball the future is never clear.

There are more talented freshmen players than him in the country that have been with their team all season that are still struggling. It takes a few months of playing games to get it half way figured out, unless you are really really really talented.
 

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The game didn't bother me really. What bothered me was fans heading to the exit with nearly 2:00 to play. Great look on national TV.
Yes, that was an unfortunate shot, although you know it happens everywhere in similar situations.
 

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It was a valiant effort especially until the bloody end while a bunch of losers walked to the exits with 2 minutes left. Let me have a chance to buy your season ticket.

The talk about our defense was just that, talk. We play aggressive defense at times, but you can't be a defensive team without a presence in the middle. Hoiball is dead with a team built to play it - not outstanding defense.
 

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86% of offense came from just 3 players. Watching Burton and Morris light it up is fun, but overall, the offense is hard to watch.
21 points on 21 shots is not lighting it up.

Monte was fantastic tonight however. The TOs are troubling but that's because we expect such a ridiculous standard from him.
 
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Babb is going to have to step it up big time scoring wise next year. Didn't Prohm say a lot he has the most NBA potential? Yikes.. I guess I haven't seen it. Next year could be scary. Wigginton can't do it all on his own.
 

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Young will be fine next year, but he's incomplete right now. Lost on D, and almost never rebounds.

He does fight for rebounds though and makes it harder on the other team to get them. But yes watching him tonight he is not ready to play a lot of mins.
 

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I've arrived at the conclusion that there is no such thing as "good Burton/bad Burton." Bad shots are bad shots. When they fall it just masks his selfish play. He is the pivot point of our offense but he refuses to get others involved. Absolutely kills our ball movement.

I said this after last game. we've got 4 really capable 3 point shooters we should be building our gameplan around bombing teams from 3 not Deonte Burton 17 footers.
 
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I enjoyed reading the post game KU Phog board. They're rejoicing like they just won the National Championship. We're a bubble team at best, yet they're popping champagne corks. Some serious insecurity with that group.


Road wins in places that you've not won at a lot recently are to be celebrated. They've won 12 straight and undefeated in the conference this year as well as being ranked #2 in the country.

I wouldn't read too much into their psyche.
 

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I think ISU needs to mix up it's defense by going to occasional zone especially when less experienced players like Young are in there. Just getting killed on the glass and second chance points. On offense, I think I was going to scream if the announcers said again "ISU needs to move the ball more".
 

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We're not going to make the tourney. I've gotten myself to accept that fact. This is not a good team. Some very good individual talent, but as a team we just aren't very good. WAY too many weaknesses.

And if this team doesn't make the tourney, then Prohm will be on the very hot seat next season with a team made up of mostly freshman and sophs. Not a good situation for him to be in at all.

I've really not been impressed at all with Prohm in the X's and O's department. This far into the season, and we still look like we run no sets and everyone stands around.
 

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Young does good things out there. Good things happen when he is on the court. He was getting outworked tonight after only a few mins of being in the game.

Did anyone not get outworked down low though?

I'm sure there's more to it, but at some point his best chance to get better is be where you get better: the court.
 

acgclone

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He does fight for rebounds though and makes it harder on the other team to get them. But yes watching him tonight he is not ready to play a lot of mins.


Yep, and that's your typical 3* FR big. It's not his fault, he just needs a year to get there.
 
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I started to realize it this past week, but tonight solidified it for me: we just aren't an elite team and not having a good inside presence is the biggest reason. While Niang is certainly missed, I would say this team misses McKay more, or a player like McKay.

That said, I still like our chances to make the tournament, provided we get to 10-8 and win 1 in the Big 12 tournament. And I think that's entirely possible.

I also am nowhere close to saying Prohm is not a good coach or the right coach. He still has my support.
 

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Our D looked pretty good with Morris-Naz-Babb-Jackson-Young against Tech and at Baylor...but that's the only lineup that has really looked good.

Burton plays atrocious D. He gets steals and showtime blocks on occasion, but is oblivious to how to help, overcommits, doesn't box out. Effort is extremely lacking. Bowie is not much better. Thomas is OK but obviously not 100% right now. When 3 of your starters are bad on D, hard to win games.
 
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I said this after last game. we've got 4 really capable 3 point shooters we should be building our gameplan around bombing teams from 3 not Deonte Burton 17 footers.
To be fair I really don't think we are game planning around Burton. He's just a selfish ball player and at times plays at a really high level and hits tough shots. The rest of the time he's a complete liability on both ends of the court.