Ok st and TTech
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Thanks for posting Oklahoma State guy. I think you are making some good points. I doubt that anything short of two T Boone Pickens type donors will ever elevate us in a football.
I don't claim to be T Boone Pickens, but a large enough football filled with helium would do it.
You must not be aware of the dire helium shortage? Our grandkids may not know what a birthday balloon is and out program is screwed.
Your faux outrage at getting called out on leveraging a plane crash as an excuse for losing a football game is baffling. Did you forget that Oklahoma State was up 24-7 in that game at one point? How would you explain that? Pinning the loss on the plane crash is an excuse of epic proportions - and a pathetic one at that.
And no, none of this is meant to minimize the plane crash on the whole, because clearly (as I said before) it was a true tragedy and it meant so much more than a football game. You would do well to remember that, too.
I will agree with you that the game should not have been played that night had OSU requested not to. If I remember right (and I'm not sure I do, but I think so), our AD Jamie Pollard offered to move the game to Saturday instead. I'm sure ESPN played a role in keeping it on Friday in some way, and if Gundy had said to move it, then it should have been moved.
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Going down a different trail here....Dexter Manley graduated from Okie State, and he couldn't even read or write.
And apparently nobody bothered to help him with that issue during his 4 years of college. WTF?
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-10-08/sports/1992282145_1_dexter-reading-the-menu-ottawa-sun
The denial by Oklahoma State is greater. Manley and Friend quote Dale Roark, the academic adviser at OSU, saying: "We knew he couldn't read a textbook. . . . I agree we exploited Dexter for four years, but he exploited us. Coaches further their careers with players like Dexter, and players in turn groom themselves for pro ball."
But that aint none of my business.......
And apparently nobody bothered to help him with that issue during his 4 years of college. WTF?
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-10-08/sports/1992282145_1_dexter-reading-the-menu-ottawa-sun
The denial by Oklahoma State is greater. Manley and Friend quote Dale Roark, the academic adviser at OSU, saying: "We knew he couldn't read a textbook. . . . I agree we exploited Dexter for four years, but he exploited us. Coaches further their careers with players like Dexter, and players in turn groom themselves for pro ball."
But that aint none of my business.......
The plane crash had about as much impact on that game as new uniform did last night. ISU got some TOs, and defensive stops and then just outlasted OSU in the end. Don't try to convince anyone here that the OSU defense that was getting pounded into the turf at the end of the game was thinking about that tragic crash.
If OSU and TT want to spend money on new uniforms, good for them. ISU has certainly done so in the past. I loved the Jack Trice throwback uniforms they had last year.
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, and those schools are the one footing the bill. I didn't mind the OSU uniforms, the TT helmets were interesting, but you couldn't figure out what was going on without someone focusing on one sitting still for quite a while. A lot of times simple is just better.
It is.
They lost because tehy couldn't handle blowing a big lead when they thought the game was over. Its emotionally tough for teams to get their crap together when they've seen a 3 score lead vanish. But again in terms of why they couldn't rally and win that game on the road in Ames I would say it was 90% dejection/deflation from blowing a big lead to a lesser team they thought they had beat. 9.9% the hostile atmosphere and a rocking JTS, and .1% if even that thoughts of the plane crash.
They had a good team that year they did well to demolish OU by 40 points or something the following week and to beat Luck and Stanford in that epic bowl game. They would have beaten LSU in the National Championship even if they could not have beat Bama.
So did SouthTulsaPoke design the Oklahoma state uniforms or collect royalties for new uniform designs? I am not sure why he is on an Iowa state forum so butthurt about a few posters saying the uniforms are ugly. But if new uniforms will win Iowa State a national championship, I'll donate for that.
"Faux outrage?" I let my wife read your remark and I would get bumped by your mods if I quoted what she said about it.
I'm not blowing it out of proportion. You're minimizing it to validate your vainglorious attitude that allows you to believe you had a victory that was unsullied by tragedy. Here are some more quotes from the Tulsa paper from the players about that morning and day:
You get the victory. I never denied it. In fact, I wrote to congratulate your fans. I felt that was the class thing to do.
I guess what baffles me is how some fans on here, when addressing an OSU fan, don't say, "Yeah...we won...but I feel crappy about how we won." That would be the classy thing to do...whether you believed it or not.
However...history will remember that victory came with an
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Grundy thinks we were wearing t shirts in that weather, that 30 miles is a long ways away, that grass was a foot tall, that they play on grass down there but they play on synthetic astroturf stuff, that Jack Trice grass isnt manicured well but always wins awards, and that 55,000 fans twirling towels for most of the game isn't flashy?
What a moronic statement.
What a moronic statement.
You are a giant tool."Faux outrage?" I let my wife read your remark and I would get bumped by your mods if I quoted what she said about it.
I'm not blowing it out of proportion. You're minimizing it to validate your vainglorious attitude that allows you to believe you had a victory that was unsullied by tragedy. Here are some more quotes from the Tulsa paper from the players about that morning and day:
You get the victory. I never denied it. In fact, I wrote to congratulate your fans. I felt that was the class thing to do.
I guess what baffles me is how some fans on here, when addressing an OSU fan, don't say, "Yeah...we won...but I feel crappy about how we won." That would be the classy thing to do...whether you believed it or not.
However...history will remember that victory came with an
Outside of the context of the plane crash, nothing you have done in this thread on this website could be called "classy" in any way, so I'll pass on taking advice from you for what passes as such.
Stop trying to make it seem as though I'm minimizing the tragedy. It's just sad. On the contrary, I don't think it's any way appropriate to use the crash for your own means, i.e. an excuse for losing a football game. That's all.
We have the worst football uniforms in the conference. They're unimaginative and boring. I-State sucks, we need to use CY.
"Faux outrage?" I let my wife read your remark and I would get bumped by your mods if I quoted what she said about it.
I'm not blowing it out of proportion. You're minimizing it to validate your vainglorious attitude that allows you to believe you had a victory that was unsullied by tragedy. Here are some more quotes from the Tulsa paper from the players about that morning and day:
You get the victory. I never denied it. In fact, I wrote to congratulate your fans. I felt that was the class thing to do.
I guess what baffles me is how some fans on here, when addressing an OSU fan, don't say, "Yeah...we won...but I feel crappy about how we won." That would be the classy thing to do...whether you believed it or not.
However...history will remember that victory came with an
Nobody will remember an asterisk with that game. They'll remember that y'all crapped your shot at the MNC.
