***Old Dominoin Preview/Gameday Thread***
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Just checked the match scores. It's gonna be a long year. Are we even going to have 2 guys ranked in the top 20 come next week?
Have a few questions after this meet. Is Gadson a small 197? He looked outsized on the mat. England match was for him to lose, and he did just that. I like Meeks, but is he ready for college wrestling? I was happy to see Troy Nickerson join the Cyclone ranks as a coach, are we improving based on his talents?
Brutal. I think this has to about do it. And I've been all for giving kj a long rope. This feels like mcdermott
Not much else to add to what has already been said, but what frustrated me was the lack of progress. Last year was the same story. Cyclone wrestlers gassed in the second let alone third period; that was unhead of 5 years ago. We used to be the guys that won late in the match, not lost, because of conditioning. We brought in a new S&C coach and I saw nothing today that suggests improvement. I saw a lack of aggression - wrestling to just barely win, or to not lose - rather than wrestling to earn extra points. The only exception was some guys trying for reverses rather than escapes. Old Dominion clearly wrestles to slow things down, maybe turn a missed shot by the Cyclone into a takedown of their own, so they are a frustrating team to wrestle, but.....
Also like last year, few guys could ride for any length of time, if at all. And just like last year, KJ is out yelling at the wrestlers. Like in one instance, with 14 seconds left in the match, he is yelling at his wrestler to be more aggressive. If he hasn't instilled that into the guys by the time they step onto the mat, then yelling at them with 14 seconds left isn't going to get the job done!
On the positive side, I enjoyed Beard - he was thinking, he was aggressive and he was in good shape. He was one of the wrestlers to go for the reverse rather than the escape. And I enjoyed watching Gadson; he showed some nice quickness.
Otherwise, hats off to Christy Johnson-Lynch. Has turned a school with no history in volleyball into a solid, competitive unit that this year, beat the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the nation. Had their ups and downs, but she has a great recruiting system that brings in good talent. She knows how to coach and she knows how to win. And the girls never give up. If anyone watched the match against Texas lasty evening, they will know what I mean. JP, is there a CJL-type wrestling coach out there?
Also like last year, few guys could ride for any length of time, if at all. And just like last year, KJ is out yelling at the wrestlers. Like in one instance, with 14 seconds left in the match, he is yelling at his wrestler to be more aggressive. If he hasn't instilled that into the guys by the time they step onto the mat, then yelling at them with 14 seconds left isn't going to get the job done!
On the positive side, I enjoyed Beard - he was thinking, he was aggressive and he was in good shape. He was one of the wrestlers to go for the reverse rather than the escape. And I enjoyed watching Gadson; he showed some nice quickness.
Otherwise, hats off to Christy Johnson-Lynch. Has turned a school with no history in volleyball into a solid, competitive unit that this year, beat the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the nation. Had their ups and downs, but she has a great recruiting system that brings in good talent. She knows how to coach and she knows how to win. And the girls never give up. If anyone watched the match against Texas lasty evening, they will know what I mean. JP, is there a CJL-type wrestling coach out there?
Gadson is a big 197 pounder - he might even have to move to Heavyweight at some point.
As far as Nickerson - we haven't seen improvement yet but we're only a few matches into the season. I'm not giving up on this team yet. We aren't going to beat Iowa but a dominating performance against NDSU and a good showing at Midlands would do a lot to make me feel better about this team.
It wasn't the loss itself that bothers me - I mean, we're going to lose badly to Iowa and the Oklahoma schools, and I'm not going to freak out about that. It's just a fact. What bothers me was that we were the more talented team and other than 149 and 157 there was absolutely no reason for us not to win every match. We allowed ODU to control the pace of the matches and on multiple occasions we gave up leads late in the match. I've given Jackson the benefit of the doubt because of the situation he walked into and a string of really bad luck. But when our guys show up to the first home meet of the season unprepared to wrestle and showing regression from last year my patience rapidly disappears.
It's the first meet of the season so its too early to call the season a loss. We need to get our act together quick and wrestle better against Iowa to keep it somewhat respectable. To get my confidence back we need to leave December with a 1-2 dual record and multiple high place winners at Midlands.
It's the first meet of the season so its too early to call the season a loss. We need to get our act together quick and wrestle better against Iowa to keep it somewhat respectable. To get my confidence back we need to leave December with a 1-2 dual record and multiple high place winners at Midlands.
If things don't improve considerably in short order, is there any chance KJ gets the gate and they let Trent P. see what he can do with the remainder of the season?
Long time wrestling fan from the Gable days and only started to go to meets 3-4 yrs ago after retirement. This team looks weak to me overall, wrestled for the most part too defensively, not to lose. Boaz Beard was the most aggressive wrstler of the day in my opinion. Just my hope we get stronger and finish matches.
Watched Coach Jackson's presser and heard him say that they were in the middle of having a team meeting to "decide how bad we want it." Can't say that this sits real well with me. Clearly KJ is trying to nip some things in the bud before they spiral out of control, but this is typically something that happens mid-season. If "want to" and desire is problem heading into your first dual meet after all of that work and preparation, that worries me more than the results on the mat.
Thank you for the feedback Judoka. I hope we are 1-2 in duals. I saw that NDSU is rated ahead of us, but in that rating area, everyone is pretty equal. Looking for a win in the next home match. We need to insure the Iowa match does push the program in the wrong direction. We do have the coaches and some weights that can make a difference for the future of the program.
I saw this coming with the disappointing results we had in the Harold Nichols open. I was initially optimistic about this this year and was planning on taking my Son to a few meets. Now I don't see the point. Call me a fair weather fan if you like, but I am not going to pay to watch the team that I have cheered for all of these years get pummeled.
Very sad. Very sad indeed. Graduated HS with Gable. Hate to see this happening. Old Dominion? Really? Welcome to the bigs Meeks. NOW, get in shape. Sign of the times I guess. Dance around and stall then get a takedown and stall again and win. Very boring.
I am but a stranger in a strange world at my age. I miss the old days when we came out and just whipped ***** and Iowa was a WAR!. Now let us sit around the campfire holding hands and all sing "Kumbayah!" It makes me sick. IB
I am but a stranger in a strange world at my age. I miss the old days when we came out and just whipped ***** and Iowa was a WAR!. Now let us sit around the campfire holding hands and all sing "Kumbayah!" It makes me sick. IB
Out of ten matches I was expecting us to lose at 149, have a few good, tight wins (125, 141) and dominate the other seven.
Of our ten guys that went out I hold nothing against White and liked what I saw out of Moreno, Beard, and Gadson. Gadson gets a pass for being tentative at first because it was his first match coming back from a very bad injury. And by the end of the match he was doing a great job pushing the action and generating offense. If our other 9 wrestlers had looked like Gadson we would have won the meet handily.
The other 6 matches though... I rewatched the meet again this morning and we just did a horrible, horrible job of creating action. Jackson's teams usually are much more aggressive than what we saw out of Sanderson's wrestlers and that was nowhere to be seen most of the meet. ODU wrestled the "Iowa Style" of riding hard, wrestling on the edge of stalling for most of the period and then scoring a takedown at the end. And we let them. Our guys allowed the ODU wrestlers to control the match from start to finish.
As an aside, I'm not sure what to take out of Molina getting trucked like that. I wonder if the cut to 157 is too much for him. He looked like a stick out there.
Of our ten guys that went out I hold nothing against White and liked what I saw out of Moreno, Beard, and Gadson. Gadson gets a pass for being tentative at first because it was his first match coming back from a very bad injury. And by the end of the match he was doing a great job pushing the action and generating offense. If our other 9 wrestlers had looked like Gadson we would have won the meet handily.
The other 6 matches though... I rewatched the meet again this morning and we just did a horrible, horrible job of creating action. Jackson's teams usually are much more aggressive than what we saw out of Sanderson's wrestlers and that was nowhere to be seen most of the meet. ODU wrestled the "Iowa Style" of riding hard, wrestling on the edge of stalling for most of the period and then scoring a takedown at the end. And we let them. Our guys allowed the ODU wrestlers to control the match from start to finish.
As an aside, I'm not sure what to take out of Molina getting trucked like that. I wonder if the cut to 157 is too much for him. He looked like a stick out there.
Matt White is out for a couple months with torn cartilage from ribs. I assume the same injury from intrasquad.
If Max Mayfield is out indefinitely, would the lineup be stronger with Luke Goettl at 149 and Shayden Terukina at 141? I don't know how big the cut is for Luke or if he is having trouble with the cut. I also don't know if Shayden is big enough for 141. Just food for thought and opinions.
If Max Mayfield is out indefinitely, would the lineup be stronger with Luke Goettl at 149 and Shayden Terukina at 141? I don't know how big the cut is for Luke or if he is having trouble with the cut. I also don't know if Shayden is big enough for 141. Just food for thought and opinions.
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