Paul Shirley in the DMR about end of 2001 season

[00clone]

That was harsh considering when he wrote it but show me where he is wrong.

To me, I see 3 main perceptions.

1: Shirley's a whiner
2: It's probably all true, but he could have made his point without all the gristly bits.
3: His missive is fine.

The detail he went into is why I'm in the 2 camp, and the crux of the difference between 2 and 3. Both 2 & 3 camps understand it's probably true, and can (likely did) cause things like happened with Hampton. But this far out, and also considering LE was probably full into alcohol jerk-ism, and has now (seemingly) gotten himself straightened out, you can make that point without the nasty details. He could have said that the team was not playing together, they were coming apart at the seams, they were not interested in even being with each other, much less playing as a team. But to me, dragging those details out into the public consumption is too much. You can say those things in a room over drinks with friends, but putting it on full display on the intertubes is unnecessary.

 

[cybsball20]

He could have said that the team was not playing together, they were coming apart at the seams, they were not interested in even being with each other, much less playing as a team. But to me, dragging those details out into the public consumption is too much. You can say those things in a room over drinks with friends, but putting it on full display on the intertubes is unnecessary.

And that would be a very boring article that has been written 1,000 times.

 

[RayShimley]

To me, I see 3 main perceptions.

1: Shirley's a whiner
2: It's probably all true, but he could have made his point without all the gristly bits.
3: His missive is fine.

The detail he went into is why I'm in the 2 camp, and the crux of the difference between 2 and 3. Both 2 & 3 camps understand it's probably true, and can (likely did) cause things like happened with Hampton. But this far out, and also considering LE was probably full into alcohol jerk-ism, and has now (seemingly) gotten himself straightened out, you can make that point without the nasty details. He could have said that the team was not playing together, they were coming apart at the seams, they were not interested in even being with each other, much less playing as a team. But to me, dragging those details out into the public consumption is too much. You can say those things in a room over drinks with friends, but putting it on full display on the intertubes is unnecessary.

This. Though I'd say I'm more in camp 4.

4: It's probably all true, but the main point of this article is that Paul Shirley just likes to see his name in press.

 

[00clone]

And that would be a very boring article that has been written 1,000 times.

Quite possibly, and I'm not a writer, but I'd prefer to take being boring while having some class than getting page views while have very little of it. I guess that's why I'd never be successful blogging, but I'd not make that tradeoff.

*edit* It just clicked for the main why this seemed wrong to me. He's talking about poor teaming, and is exhibiting a prime example of being a bad teammate. On a team that is trying to compete at high levels, you put yourself in a position of vulnerability, because you will have weak moments. Talking about others' moments of weakness outside the team environment (especially one as public as an internet published piece) is breaking that trust. Sure it's 10+ years later, but if I did any business with Mr. Shirley, I'd no longer trust him with any confidential information.

And yes, this is kind of making his point, but it shows the difference. There was a game earlier this year where one of the players sat all or a great majority of it out...don't recall who...CFH was asked about it after the game, and he said it was a 'coach's decision'. Now, I assume the player did something wrong, not serious enough to warrant an official suspension, but CFH didn't air the team's dirty laundry outside the team environment.

The one HUGE exception to that rule, though, is Sandusky stuff. If it's illegal, you make sure it's handled. Don't have to call a press conference, but you do go outside the team there.

 

[ricochet]

Not at all. This is pure geography. New Orleans is in a position to be destroyed by flooding and hurricanes time and again, they are below sea level. Does PS spew at them that they need to learn to use a condom?

Isn't the condom remark related to HIV rates in Haiti? Not sure what New Orleans, flooding, and hurricanes have to do with HIV transmission.

 

[CyDude16]

Another "look at me, look at me" piece by Shirley.... Not surprised.

What would be the reasoning to write this on the eve of the tournament? None.... What a *********

 

[NickTheGreat]

Interesting read for sure. At first read I thought Paul (who I like) was being a little *****. But after thinking about it, it probably was a really crazy time.

 

[mwitt]

For what it's worth, Keith Murphy asked Marcus Fizer on Twitter what he thought. To be fair, Fizer wasn't on the 2001 team, but here is what he said:

@MurphyKeith Thats unreal...and unbelievable to say the least...Wow

https://twitter.com/#!/MarcusFizerSr/status/180159924901396480

 

[Angie]

Isn't the condom remark related to HIV rates in Haiti? Not sure what New Orleans, flooding, and hurricanes have to do with HIV transmission.

I was being facetious with the condom remark. Several of his comments were about how we shouldn't help them because they are in a geographically disadvantageous area. So is New Orleans.

 

[HFCS]

Interesting read for sure. At first read I thought Paul (who I like) was being a little *****. But after thinking about it, it probably was a really crazy time.

I think everyone knows it was crazy, everyone knows the team was not deep, was running on fumes, and everyone can assume some of the worst about LE at the time was true as LE himself would verify that.

The part I just can't get over is throwing Tinsley under the bus like that. ISU never comes anywhere near ANY of the success they had those two years without Tinsley.

If Royce has a bad game against UConn Shirley would say he drove the Cyclones into the ditch. Reality is the Cyclones would not have sniffed the big dance without Royce.

When Derek Rose had a bad series against the Heat last year in the playoffs, I guess Shirley thinks he drove the Bulls into the ditch. In reality he was an exhausted MVP who had carried his team to the leagues best record with almost no offensive help all year.

It's one of the more ungrateful things I've ever read. If someone had never watched those teams, you'd think Paul Shirley was the All American and Tinsley was some role player with an attitude. He leaves out the MAIN POINT that instead of being 2 seed, 2 seed, two years in a row they may not have even made the tournament without him.

He came out early in his pro career and looked phenomenal. He obviously lost focus and slipped in his personal and professional life, but seems to be doing well right now actually. It's revisionist history of the worst kind to act like he was anything but spectacular for ISU.

This is like Mario Chalmers writing a hit piece on LeBron James for not showing up in the fourth quarter of the NBA finals last year.

 

[carvers4math]

Only reason for Shirley and the Rag to bring this up now is to draw negative attention to the program and positive attention away from today's team. The timing is nasty.

 

[Cycsk]

Only reason for Shirley and the Rag to bring this up now is to draw negative attention to the program and positive attention away from today's team. The timing is nasty.

I think it has as much to do with taking a shot at LE than ISU. He says nice things about Hoiberg. The timing may not be as much related to ISU's return to the tourney as LE's. And I'll bet he pitched the article to the Hattiesburg American newspaper before he gave it to the DM Register.

 

[Acylum]

Not at all. This is pure geography. New Orleans is in a position to be destroyed by flooding and hurricanes time and again, they are below sea level. Does PS spew at them that they need to learn to use a condom?

To be fair, I don't recall any aid rolling in from Haiti after Katrina. I think the point Shirley was trying to make, albeit clumsily, was how many times should we be throwing good money after bad. He had a legitimate point, but made it in a condescending tone.

 

[Angie]

To be fair, I don't recall any aid rolling in from Haiti after Katrina. I think the point Shirley was trying to make, albeit clumsily, was how many times should we be throwing good money after bad. He had a legitimate point, but made it in a condescending tone.

I think you're right, and it sounded totally ethnocentric - there are way more US citizens who are in a financial position to aid the Haitians than in reverse. He was a huge **** about it, which is what my problem with him is. He's a smart guy, but pompous and Shirley-centric.

 

[cyclone87]

I think you're right, and it sounded totally ethnocentric - there are way more US citizens who are in a financial position to aid the Haitians than in reverse. He was a huge **** about it, which is what my problem with him is. He's a smart guy, but pompous and Shirley-centric.

I agree, I don't think there are many people who would support the position he took in the article. It was a terrible thing to write, but I don't see the big deal with this piece.

 

[kfw4isu]

I'm so tired of reading Shirley's crap. I knew what this was going to say before I clicked the damn link but I couldn't help myself.

"I never forgave Larry Eustachy for what he turned basketball into for me"

boo effin hoo

This was my thought as I was reading the article. Not the time for this tone of an article....ISU and LE are both in the dance so lets take this time to make digs at past coaches and players?? Weak!

 

[CTTB78]

For what it's worth, Keith Murphy asked Marcus Fizer on Twitter what he thought. To be fair, Fizer wasn't on the 2001 team, but here is what he said:

@MurphyKeith Thats unreal...and unbelievable to say the least...Wow

https://twitter.com/#!/MarcusFizerSr/status/180159924901396480

Thanks for your post. Even though there is probably some truth to the PS piece, I wondered if other players heard the same thing.

And Paul, if your playing within the rules, it's all about the results. Your feelings come in second or third place.

 

[carvers4math]

If we are going to dig up old stuff about past coaches in the dance, I'd rather hear from those who fled Ames during the McDoorMat years. How many scholarship guys was Fred left with? And people wonder why he went out and got transfers.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

It is simple math: Eustachy's in the tournament for the first time since Hampton. ISU's in for the first time in a long time. Shirley has a unique perspective - having played, for ISU, for Eustachy.

Anyone who doesn't understand the "timing" of this piece is an idiot. When else would it run? July? The timing of this article is the least surprising thing about it.

 

[CyBobby]

If not drinking made me anything like you, I'd never put the bottle down.

Yeah and if drinking makes people like you... Im glad I stopped Drinking......



Because i do NOT want to be a DRUNK like YOU!!!!!!!:yes: