Perspective from the Big Ten and some much needed clarifications

FriendlySpartan

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Yeah, one of my concerns (not to sound too much like a homer) is ISU passes muster with the B1G (even if just by the hair of the chinny-chin-chin). But KU, while geographically fine and academically fine doesn't meet the standard for athletics, since football is really all that counts by most measures. So ISU gets left out because we don't have a dance partner that's good enough....
You might be right with this. Also I don't think the big ten can add ISU after the SEC just added texas and OU because of the optics. All im hearing from my people is that if the big goes up to 16 it will be USC and either Oregon, Washington, or Colorado. If they decide to jump the SEC and go to 20 and not wait for the ACC teams then I think ISU finds a place. I don't think KU gets anywhere with the Big Ten without major concessions and possibly not even then. Really just depends on how aggressive the conference wants to be and that I dont think anyone knows not even the Big Ten.
 
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You might be right with this. Also I don't think the big ten can add ISU after the SEC just added texas and OU because of the optics. All im hearing from my people is that if the big goes up to 16 it will be USC and either Oregon, Washington, or Colorado. If they decide to jump the SEC and go to 20 and not wait for the ACC teams then I think ISU finds a place. I don't think KU gets anywhere with the Big Ten without major concessions and possibly not even then. Really just depends on how aggressive the conference wants to be and that I dont think anyone knows not even the Big Ten.
My brain can't come to terms with a Big Ten that includes teams from coast to coast. Just doesn't compute. Not saying it won't happen but for no other reason than history, does it just seem to be not logical.

That's why I think if a B1G invite doesn't come the best chance to remain P4/5 is a merger of some portion of the Big XII leftovers with the PAC.
 

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You might be right with this. Also I don't think the big ten can add ISU after the SEC just added texas and OU because of the optics. All im hearing from my people is that if the big goes up to 16 it will be USC and either Oregon, Washington, or Colorado. If they decide to jump the SEC and go to 20 and not wait for the ACC teams then I think ISU finds a place. I don't think KU gets anywhere with the Big Ten without major concessions and possibly not even then. Really just depends on how aggressive the conference wants to be and that I dont think anyone knows not even the Big Ten.
I get the feeling that USC, Oregon, and Washington are together no matter what. They are the 3 biggest programs on the West Coast.
 
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Is Northwestern’s stadium any better than KU’s?

I can speak from experience having been to a few games there. Northwestern is one of the worst game experiences I've seen in college football.

The fans, those who bother to show up, are total wine & cheese types. A lot of opposing B1G team fans are always there 'cause of Chicago and alumni bases, and they usually are louder than the NU fans.

The stadium itself is not a great place to catch a game and really has a pretty lifeless atmosphere. I do like the flower beds they plant inside the stadium though. And you're close to Chicago restaurants and bars post game. That's about it.

Never been to KU for football, but if it's worse than NU, then it must be pretty horrible...
 
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I can speak from experience having been to a few games there. Northwestern is one of the worst game experiences I've seen in college football. The fans, those who bother to show up, are total wine & cheese types. A lot of opposing B1G team fans are always there 'cause of Chicago and alumni bases, and they usually are louder than the NU fans. The stadium itself is not a great place to catch a game and really has a pretty lifeless atmosphere. I do like the flower beds they plant inside the stadium though. And you're close to Chicago restaurants and bars post game. That's about it...
What do you expect? It's an elite private school with students from all over the world and an enrollment of only like 10k undergrads. It's not like it's got 50000 students where 25% stick around Chicago.
 
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My brain can't come to terms with a Big Ten that includes teams from coast to coast. Just doesn't compute. Not saying it won't happen but for no other reason than history, does it just seem to be not logical.

That's why I think if a B1G invite doesn't come the best chance to remain P4/5 is a merger of some portion of the Big XII leftovers with the PAC.
I agree I really dont like the way college sports are going with the new realignment ideas being thrown around. When this last happened a decade ago i remember some people in the athletic dept talking about how the big ten dragged its feet with penn state because it was so far away and now we are talking about so cal and seattle. weird times.
 

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You might be right with this. Also I don't think the big ten can add ISU after the SEC just added texas and OU because of the optics. All im hearing from my people is that if the big goes up to 16 it will be USC and either Oregon, Washington, or Colorado. If they decide to jump the SEC and go to 20 and not wait for the ACC teams then I think ISU finds a place. I don't think KU gets anywhere with the Big Ten without major and possibly not even then. Really just depends on how aggressive the conference wants to be and that I dont think anyone knows not even the Big Ten.
Yes, ISU has at least a top 10 football team and some success in recent history. If adding ISU looks bad after the SEC adds TX and OU, how bad does it look to add, without any debate, that absolute WORST P5 football team in the last 10 years!
 

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Yes, ISU has at least a top 10 football team and some success in recent history. If adding ISU looks bad after the SEC adds TX and OU, how bad does it look to add, without any debate, that absolute WORST P5 football team in the last 10 years!
KU is in a lot of trouble honestly and even if they get to a new conference they might need to make some major concessions. Not as bad as K state or WVU but pretty bad.
 

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Yes, ISU has at least a top 10 football team and some success in recent history. If adding ISU looks bad after the SEC adds TX and OU, how bad does it look to add, without any debate, that absolute WORST P5 football team in the last 10 years!
I guarantee you there isn't an athletic administrator anywhere in America except for JP who looks at Iowa State and says "Yeah Matt Campbell is going to be there for the next 10 year." They fear adding ISU and the Paul Rhoads days coming back.
 

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What do you expect? It's an elite private school with students from all over the world and an enrollment of like 10k undergrads. It's not like it's got 50000 students where 25% stick around Chicago.

I expect it to be a much better atmosphere for football. It's frankly an embarrassment. They play next door to a large, sports crazed city. So, their little marketing slogan of "Chicago's Big Ten Team" doesn't seem to be paying dividends...
 

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KU is in a lot of trouble honestly and even if they get to a new conference they might need to make some major concessions. Not as bad as K state or WVU but pretty bad.
Which, back to my original fear, is why everyone linking ISU and KU to B1G as a pair scares me just because they are the absolute worst in Football. Their ****** football team could be the reason ISU doesn't get invited.

There are no other semi-attractive partners and it would seem very very unlikely for the B1G to say, "sure, we'll take one team more" then deal with the difficulties of unbalanced division numbers and scheduling weirdness.
 

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I expect it to be a much better atmosphere for football. It's frankly an embarrassment. They play next door to a large, sports crazed city. So, their little marketing slogan of "Chicago's Big Ten Team" doesn't seem to be paying dividends...
Fans in Chicago have about as much connection to Northwestern as ones in DM do Drake. Not much. Chicago is probably a Notre Dame town as much as anything.
 
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I guarantee you there isn't an athletic administrator anywhere in America except for JP who looks at Iowa State and says "Yeah Matt Campbell is going to be there for the next 10 year." They fear adding ISU and the Paul Rhoads days coming back.
I guess 5 years of just saying the same thing over and over again and doing exactly what he says he's going to do just doesn't compute in today's world of "I'm only in it for me and more money and notoriety."

These are the same "experts" that said he'd be gone from Ames in 2017 and 2018 and 2019.

He may leave, but it would most likely be because ISU gets demoted to non P4/5 status. Then it's going to be, "See, we TOLD you he'd leave Ames."
 
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I guess 5 years of just saying the same thing over and over again and doing exactly what he says he's going to do just doesn't compute in today's world of "I'm only in it for me and more money and notoriety."

These are the same "experts" that said he'd be gone from Ames in 2017 and 2018 and 2019.

He may leave, but it would most likely be because ISU gets demoted to non P4/5 status. Then it's going to be, "See, we TOLD you he'd leave Ames." \
Remember Hoiberg saying he was just gonna stay for a few years and leave? Me neither. They all say this **** dude. Anything other than the "I'm gonna be here forever" would be horrible for recruiting.
 

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I expect it to be a much better atmosphere for football. It's frankly an embarrassment. They play next door to a large, sports crazed city. So, their little marketing slogan of "Chicago's Big Ten Team" doesn't seem to be paying dividends...
Yes, their fan base does not really deserve the high level football program that they have.
 

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Remember Hoiberg saying he was just gonna stay for a few years and leave? Me neither. They all say this **** dude. Anything other than the "I'm gonna be here forever" would be horrible for recruiting.
Meanwhile he was shopping himself around. And CMC is doing none of that. So two different men. Two different life goals/missions.
 

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Ok, it's a Kardasian world and I'll just live in my own non-reality TV Show world.

Bubble gum EIU coach can get offers and stay in IC until hell freezes over. But ISU can never hold a quality coach (Bill Fennelly says "hi.")
I heard he possibly turned down a few NFL jobs. What other college job was Ferentz seriously being considered for?