No offense to the Michigan State guy, because he’s made great efforts not to display the standard big 10 arrogance, and has offered good insights here.
but the opinions of the Ohio State athletic department are all that matters in these discussions
Perspective from the Big Ten and some much needed clarifications
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No offense to the Michigan State guy, because he’s made great efforts not to display the standard big 10 arrogance, and has offered good insights here.
but the opinions of the Ohio State athletic department are all that matters in these discussions
And adding ISU and Kansas right now does not change that. It's still OSU and everyone else. That is my point.
Works if there is a grand plan to break away from NCAA and there are 4 conferences with equal number of teams. Each league would have their tv deal with a network (like NFL with fox and cbs - afc and nfc).
but I have no idea if that is the plan or if SEC is just going to do their own thing
Probably what they said about Bill Snyder, too.
True they don't but then the remaining Big 12 do not have to move to a new conference anytime soon either. It looks like we have a 4 year window to explore all options and go from there. The big 10 and Pac 12 TV contracts are up in two more years, as they start negations with Fox for that content, they will gain a better understanding if expanding is worth the trouble or not.
But I would say that unless the Big 10 has a grand plan to either wait for the ACC schools to open up in 10 to 15 years or nab USC or other schools from the Pac 12, then they are losing ground every year they wait to the SEC. The same cannot be said for the Pac 12, they need to expand into the Central time zone to create more market for their product, and by doing so they also pick up 4 to 6 schools that actually care about athletics, which is not the case for some of the Pac 12 schools.
It might already be too late to catch the SEC, but doing something, even if its not a homerun is better than sitting around doing nothing for the Big 10 and Pac 12.
I've seen you post this twice now on two different threads and that just isn't how it works in the big ten. I know texas was horrible in the big 12 but OSU is just another one of 14 schools in the big ten. If osu had their way the season wouldn't have been cancelled for covid (temporarily) or had all the restrictions put in place that the big ten did in 2020. The big ten isn't beholden to any one school, its why the dynamic works where the big 12 fell apart.
And yet...
Big Ten Amends Rules, Allows Ohio State in Title Game
Ohio State's matchup with Michigan on Saturday has been canceled due to positive tests within the Wolverines' program.
www.si.com
Obviously they change that because they got OSU into the playoff. Big ten created the stupid rules in the first place and then had to scramble when a bunch of games were cancelled due to covid.And yet...
Big Ten Amends Rules, Allows Ohio State in Title Game
Ohio State's matchup with Michigan on Saturday has been canceled due to positive tests within the Wolverines' program.
If that would have been Michigan state, the big 10 wouldn’t have lifted a finger.
Kinda like Nebraska wanting to make up a game early on because Wisky canceled. I believe they told Nebby, those the rules and the rules are the rules, we made 'em and cant change 'em.
Nebby was like what happens if it matters to get OSU in the playoffs, they said well we made the rules before the season and we cant change 'em for nobody........
....a few weeks later.....OSU needs to change the rules.
B1G changes the rules.
There is so much sad in this pull. I was wrong gasp. A fan makes a wrong prediciton.
The level of obsession with Fred still tho....
Every single one of us knew this was going to happen as soon as Nebraska got shut down, and laughed our asses off when it did. Nebraska thought they escaped this kind of thing when they escaped Texas and Oklahoma, only to run into Ohio State and Michigan. Meet the new masters, same as the old masters. Thought they were going to be the kings of the Big 10 and instead are nothing but pawns.
You know what’s really funny? How nobody talks about Nebraska here in Michigan. I swear people here care more about Iowa State than they do about Nebraska. They don’t even generate the “hate” (why are they here?) that Rutgers and Maryland do. They aren’t even an afterthought - nobody thinks of them at all.
Nebby fans are already spouting off about starting 5-1 through the Northwestern game...and a major bowl game. Of course, they likely go 0-6 in the back half of the schedule.
I think Nebraska is 3-3 to start, with losses @ Illinois, @ OU, and @ MSU.
If tOSU (and Michigan and PSU) decide they want to reap the FULL value of their football brands, they'll do so. And there's not a damn thing the rest of the conference can do about it. I hope they don't pull a OuT but the idea that they can't because "that's not the way the Big 10 works" is naive. If they can make an extra $30-$40 million per year by leaving the Big 10, they're going to look long and hard at that option. Welcome to our world.
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OSU (and Michigan and PSU) have been generous partners with the rest of the big 10 because it has worked to this point, and they probably believed years ago that even revenue sharing would elevate the rest of the league and bolster the conference as a whole, helping themselves. Maybe it has, maybe it has not. It’s hard to say.
But if you think they are going to remain benevolent dictators if they see themselves falling behind multiple SEC teams to the point that makes them uncomfortable, you are being naive.
OSU, Michigan, and PSU are the big three. If they think moving forward they need uneven distribution to keep up, then that’s what they will do. If they think continuing with the rising tide approach is best, then that’s what they will do.
The fans of all these Big 10 schools thinking they are going to keep cashing checks forever on the backs of OSU, Michigan and Penn State are far and away the most delusional people involved in this discussion.
And this argument that ISUs value is diminished if MC leaves is a dumb one. There are a small number of teams in the country that have such systematic advantages that they are recession-proof. The only advantage the “others” in the Big 10 have over ISU that is significant is the ability to pay them more money that OSU, Michigan and PSU have brought to their school. All other differences are marginal in terms of winning.
Honest question. What members would the SEC need to have (ideally) for you to watch them? Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon, Michigan ??? I ask because that's where the tire hits the payment. You could add 10 more teams and I still wouldn't be altering my Saturdays to watch them. If I'm the norm (which I suspect I am), how on earth do they expect this to generate the revenues they're claiming?
