Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

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I actually think this has been a big deal because it has been the first chance for the Anit-Mac Coalition to get to his character. They are taking that chance and running with it.
 

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I actually think this has been a big deal because it has been the first chance for the Anit-Mac Coalition to get to his character. They are taking that chance and running with it.

As a Cyclone fan who is not crazy about McDermott as our coach I have no problem with him playing Colvin. It is obvious he thought it gave them the best chance to win.
 

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See, I don't think you listened to Mac---you're just reading the paper.

3. He asked the players their input, but the decision wasn't made based on what they said, but he used that to make his decision. I don't get the idea that it was a 'tell me what I should do, I'll do what ever you want' type of conversation. I get the impression that it was more of a discussion with the players.

No, I heard the audio of his interview when he said, "when Craig Brackins looks at you and says 'coach, you have no choice.' That's when I knew had to play him."
That doesn't sound like any "discussion" to me, unless you don't believe Mac...
 

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No, I heard the audio of his interview when he said, "when Craig Brackins looks at you and says 'coach, you have no choice.' That's when I knew had to play him."
That doesn't sound like any "discussion" to me, unless you don't believe Mac...


No, I guess I interpreted much differently than you did. Heck, I kind of interpreted as Craig maybe not thinking Colvin should be back but knowing that it was best for the team.
 

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No, I heard the audio of his interview when he said, "when Craig Brackins looks at you and says 'coach, you have no choice.' That's when I knew had to play him."
That doesn't sound like any "discussion" to me, unless you don't believe Mac...

Do you really believe that's all that was said?

Brackins(walks in): Hey Mac, you have no choice
Mac: Okay
Brackins(walks out): See you at the game.

Come on...
 
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Mac's mistake was setting a deadline. But by setting the deadline and breaking it we can end the "Mac is above other coaches thing." He's just like all the others. When the going really gets tough he does what he feels will give him the best chance to win. And that is actually what you pay him to do.
 

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Do you really believe that's all that was said?

Brackins(walks in): Hey Mac, you have no choice
Mac: Okay
Brackins(walks out): See you at the game.

Come on...

No, but I think it's telling that Mac would even include it as a way to justify playing Colvin. Why do it, unless it's to spread the responsibility of the decision.
 

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Mac's mistake was setting a deadline. But by setting the deadline and breaking it we can end the "Mac is above other coaches thing." He's just like all the others. When the going really gets tough he does what he feels will give him the best chance to win. And that is actually what you pay him to do.

I understand what you are saying. But let me ask this then......what else is okay? Should we bring Pomlee back? Should we cheat with recruiting? Should we get the boosters to pay the players somehow?

GMac compromised his integrity and most on here are apparently okay with it because he was just trying to win......something that he specifically said would make him walk away from the profession. So why stop with this? Let's comprise all the "rules" for next year and make it to the NCAA, because winning is all that really counts, right?
 

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No, but I think it's telling that Mac would even include it as a way to justify playing Colvin. Why do it, unless it's to spread the responsibility of the decision.

Oh, I don't know, maybe because it was the truth...


Hey Mac, we're going to question your integrity anyway...You might as well lie to us.:jimlad:
 

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Oh, I don't know, maybe because it was the truth...


Hey Mac, we're going to question your integrity anyway...You might as well lie to us.:jimlad:

OK, I just hope this doesn't embolden the famous Colvin entourage back in Chicago, led by his dad. And I bet you know what I mean.
 

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I understand what you are saying. But let me ask this then......what else is okay? Should we bring Pomlee back? Should we cheat with recruiting? Should we get the boosters to pay the players somehow?

GMac compromised his integrity and most on here are apparently okay with it because he was just trying to win......something that he specifically said would make him walk away from the profession. So why stop with this? Let's comprise all the "rules" for next year and make it to the NCAA, because winning is all that really counts, right?

What a bunch of crap!!! Keep digging...
 

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What a bunch of crap!!! Keep digging...

I could just as easily call what you are spouting a bunch of crap. All most are doing is using GMac's very own words against him.

What was crap about what I said? You do not think that GMac compromised his integrity? He made a statement at the time of the suspension that it did not matter about winning or losing games. Well, apparently it does.

So why should ISU stop there? If winning is what really matters, then why not go all in and go for it?

Where is the line?
 

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compromised integrity? He lifted a team/coach imposed suspension because of a negative attitude directed at the coaches/team. This was a team issue and should be left at that, if the coaches and players accept the decision that is ALL that matters.
 
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I could just as easily call what you are spouting a bunch of crap. All most are doing is using GMac's very own words against him.

What was crap about what I said? You do not think that GMac compromised his integrity? He made a statement at the time of the suspension that it did not matter about winning or losing games. Well, apparently it does.

So why should ISU stop there? If winning is what really matters, then why not go all in and go for it?

Where is the line?

The fact that your questions have nothing to do with the situation...Carry on.
 
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I appreciate the explanation and can see where you are coming from with that. I guess for me personally it isn't a huge hit on his integrity. We are talking about a guy who was suspended because of his attitude. This isn't a Pierre Pierce situation, or even a Brian Ferentz situation. It was strictly a situation where his actions to the team were detrimental. Not letting him play last night to me would have been much more detrimental than holding him out. The reason he was suspended was to prove a point, I think that point was proven. I can understand people don't agree with it. What I don't understand is how big of deal it has become.

I understand your point as well. The bottom line is wins and losses. While my take on the Colvin deal is strictly based on the integrity factor and the potential to make ISU look less honorable in that area... The biggest reason it has become such a big deal is the state of the program. As an ISU fan I am frustrated as hell with the results we are getting. To me it is troubling that we have so many issues with players leaving and not just bench players but guys that were starting, then the on court issues, recruiting issues potentially with some of the players that left, etc.... I guess I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with GMAC at the helm. It just seems like the program is on the downward spiral and that is despite the fact we have by far his most athletic and talented team in 4 years. I just can't see a way that this team is going to be successful the remainder of this year.
 

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compromised integrity? He lifted a team/coach imposed suspension because of a negative attitude directed at the coaches/team. This was a team issue and should be left at that, if the coaches and players accept the decision that is ALL that matters.

great post i agree
 

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Okay...Explain to me how Colvin's situation has anything to do with the NCAA?

Who said it did? I was simply saying ISU might as well do a few other things, so that ISU could make it to the NCAA.......I was referring to the tournament, since apparently winning is all that really matters. After all, that is what we are paying GMac for, correct? How ISU gets there should not matter.