Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

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I don't agree with that line of thinking. If the timeline had been indefinite, and he had reinstated Colvin after Lucca left, the outcry would have been identical, because it would have been obvious that the suspension was lifted due to Lucca's defection.

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I was fine with suiting him in case of an emergency but we were no where near the point of playing with 4 guys on the floor last night. Hell, Colvin even took Buckley's minutes late in the game when Buckley was one of the guys out there giving effort.

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RossHallHero

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Here's the thing that a lot of you guys are missing.

When Mac made the comment that was so strong and so principled, he did it to stroke his own ego. He did it to make himself appear above the fray. The words were so clear and so concise that there was no room for interpretation one way or the other. Mac means business.

He was playing into the now obvious BS that he does things "the right way", which was nothing more than a self-serving ego stroke. Nothing more than portraying yourself the way you want to be seen. He was trying to buy himself some good will and give us something to take pride in with the basketball team, and up and until now, many of you have fallen for it.

Now, when the there's an opportunity to actually live your noble words, you turn tail and claim to have had no other choice...team voted.

Actions speak louder than words and we have ourselves a coward and hypocrite as a coach.

Oh yeah, he doesn't win either.
 

Clonehomer

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So what was Mac supposed to do? Should he have gone to Palo or Oliver and tell them he is sorry but they were going to have to give up their redshirt year to play in four games? Would that have been the right thing to do?

I guess I'm not overly upset about the team vote thing. From all accounts, what Colvin did to warrant the suspension was against his teammates. If they could forgive him and feel like he learned his lesson then maybe he has.

I just haven't heard too many people giving out other options. We need more than 3 guards for this stretch of games until February. The only other option was the two redshirting walkons. Are you all saying that you want to take away a year of elligability from them in order to make a point to Colvin?
 

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Even rapist and drug dealers get time off for good behavior and Colvin did nothing close to breaking the law. If the kid has shown he's learned his lesson and owned up to his mistakes then cut him a little slack. When the suspension first was put in place there was a lot of talk on here about it being too much. The only people that know what is truly going on with the program and the strides that Colvin has made since his suspension are the players and the coaches so why not make the decision about Colvin as a "Family" which if you listen to any of the interviews lately almost every player has talked about how they are coming together as a "Family". This doesn't mean Mac doesn't have control over his team, it means he's respecting the thoughts and decisions of his other family members and allowing there input on the situation. This isn't JV or Varsity high school ball fellas, it's college ball. There's less at stake for both the players and the coaches in high school so yeah a coach can be more hard headed and stick to his guns. In college you want to show respect towards these young men and let them know their opinion matters and Mac did that last night by listening to the players request to have Chris back.

I think all of you that are constantly on here ******** about our bball program or our whole atheltic department need to just shut it down and stop "Acting" like your a fan. Go cheer for another team that does everything the way you want it done or go up and apply for a college coaching or AD job yourself since you find it so easy to make all the right decisions!

Amen! Mac is not a bad guy, he may not be the coach we all hoped for, but I felt after the first week of Colvin's suspension he would be back earlier. Mac was asked how Chris was responding to the suspension and Mac said that he was responding better than expected. My hope is that Chris got the message and Mac allowed him to be 'let off early for good behavior'. Chris' punishment was hurting the team more than benefitting Chris. If he made the improvement and the teammates that were disrespected felt the change had been made I see no issue with him coming back.

All this said, I would never want a win over losing ethics, but I don't know the whole story and I doubt ANY of you do either. Mac had no chance of pleasing most on this board so I will give you guys the same respect you show Mac, none.
 

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I love the player's vote idea, though. How cheesily dipomatic. He may make a poor basketball coach, and he may lack integrity, but Mr McDermott would make a fantastic politician.
 

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Very interesting quotes in the Register from Mac.

At the time of Colvin's suspension -

“I got in this profession because I love to coach basketball, and I love to help young people grow. If winning ever gets in the way of that, then I have to get out of it.

“(Colvin) needs to grow up. If it costs me a couple wins along the way, then so be it. He’s going to be better, and I’m going to sleep better because of that.â€

After the game last night -

“I hated to do it, but given the choice I had, it was the only choice.â€

Really??? The only choice??? I call BS. He could have stuck a student manager in there if it got to that point! Mac is gradually losing respect in his coaching abilities, but in one fell swoop, he's lost a lot more when it comes to standing by his convictions and his integrity.


“When Craig Brackins looks at you and says, ‘Mac, you don’t have a choice,’ I had to play him,†McDermott said.

Who the hell is running this team?? The inmates or the warden?

Up until now, it seemed like Mac was a great guy. Now, I don't know who the real Mac is.

ISU men's basketball: Cyclones lose at Texas Tech | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register

Professional coaches know how to balance this. Maybe he should just concentrate on helping young people somewhere else. We have more talent on this team than Tech has on theirs, tell me who the better coach last night was.
 

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Amen! Mac is not a bad guy, he may not be the coach we all hoped for, but I felt after the first week of Colvin's suspension he would be back earlier. Mac was asked how Chris was responding to the suspension and Mac said that he was responding better than expected. My hope is that Chris got the message and Mac allowed him to be 'let off early for good behavior'. Chris' punishment was hurting the team more than benefitting Chris. If he made the improvement and the teammates that were disrespected felt the change had been made I see no issue with him coming back.

All this said, I would never want a win over losing ethics, but I don't know the whole story and I doubt ANY of you do either. Mac had no chance of pleasing most on this board so I will give you guys the same respect you show Mac, none.

That is why I am not overly upset about this, because I do not know exactly what happened and I will give McD the benefit of the doubt. My only problem is how this is starting to be perceived, which I fully expected.

You cant stand in front of the media and sound like you are hard and that you care more about building character than winning games, than 2 weeks later go back on your word, and not expect to be lashed by people the way McD is now.

The only comparison I make is that ISU could have desperately used Mike Taylor 3 seasons ago. If McD would have gone to the players and asked for their opinion, I just about guarantee it would have been unanimous to bring him back.

McCarney was very hard on his punishments early in his career, and started to loosen up as his career went on when he was getting somewhat desperate for wins. I fear we are starting to see the same thing here.
 

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So what was Mac supposed to do? Should he have gone to Palo or Oliver and tell them he is sorry but they were going to have to give up their redshirt year to play in four games? Would that have been the right thing to do?

I guess I'm not overly upset about the team vote thing. From all accounts, what Colvin did to warrant the suspension was against his teammates. If they could forgive him and feel like he learned his lesson then maybe he has.

I just haven't heard too many people giving out other options. We need more than 3 guards for this stretch of games until February. The only other option was the two redshirting walkons. Are you all saying that you want to take away a year of elligability from them in order to make a point to Colvin?

I expected Mac to act like the adult and put integrity before winning, or losing as the case may be.

Play with what you have. Keep your integrity...still lose.

Pretty simple, really.

And for you to say that Colvin's actions were against the team, so they should get to decide...well, that's just beyond silly.
 

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Again, who is running the team, the players or the coach?

Well, we could go back to Morgan. Then we knew that the players were running things. Morgan just played Playstation with them and let Stinson run the team.
 

Clonehomer

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I expected Mac to act like the adult and put integrity before winning, or losing as the case may be.

Play with what you have. Keep your integrity...still lose.

Pretty simple, really.

And for you to say that Colvin's actions were against the team, so they should get to decide...well, that's just beyond silly.

So you are okay with playing just three guards these next couple of weeks? I might side with you if we had some walk-ons that weren't redshirting, but we don't have anyone else right now. Who cares how much harm it would to do Garrett, Christopherson, and Buckley to have to log such minutes. I guess it must be easier to coach from your couch when you don't have to worry about your players.
 

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Who cares how much harm it would to do Garrett, Christopherson, and Buckley to have to log such minutes. I guess it must be easier to coach from your couch when you don't have to worry about your players.

Yeah, the guys who have done nothing wrong would absolutely HATE that playing time.

Solid argument.
 

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Well, I'll take 2 out of 3 winning seasons with postseason play (remember that?) as opposed to ZERO for four any day.

Morgan came in with a program that was in much better shape, and tore it apart. McDermott was left with Morgan's mess.