Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

[ISUKyro]

I'm coming into this late: but my view is this. If you're going to sell your soul you'd better get something. If Colvin would have won the game for us I'd feel a lot better about the deal - as it is I think it was a bad move.
Teaching middle school the kids I have the most problems with are the ones that have parents and teachers that let them get out of their punishments.

You do the crime you do the time....... I say bad play by Mac

 

[CycloneErik]

26 pages of ******** back and forth at each other. I would bet all of my credits if the team had won last night most of the McD haters would have stayed in their mothers basement for the day.

They would. They always do. See the post-Nebraska discussions. They all forgot that they could post here.

The Lucca thing, the Colvin thing, whatever, and they're all over the place. Pretty awesome.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I'm coming into this late: but my view is this. If you're going to sell your soul you'd better get something. If Colvin would have won the game for us I'd feel a lot better about the deal - as it is I think it was a bad move.
Teaching middle school the kids I have the most problems with are the ones that have parents and teachers that let them get out of their punishments.

You do the crime you do the time....... I say bad play by Mac

Sold his soul. That's funny. He sold his soul by cutting a suspension down. Good lord I think that might be taking it too far. How about if all of you guys make this a bigger deal than it really is?If coach Rhoads did this it would be completely fine. Hell three players on the football team got busted for pot, no one ever said a word to the public about it, Banks was back almost right away and no one so much as asked for an explanation. I wonder why that is? I am in no way against Rhoads but it is pathetic how you will treat one coach one way and one coach another. One was in trouble with the law and one had team interaction problems that you or I know very little about. At least treat them fairly.


OK, if Colvin is trouble in the future and is not off the team I will eat my words. His punishment was cut down not totally ignored. I firmly believe he has learned his lesson. Once again, if I am wrong I will eat my words.

 

[Dryburn]

You suspend them. You evaluate it daily and reinstate them when appropriate. Kind of like he did this time.

I would not put a date on it.

But how can you suspend anyone? ISU won't have enough players then. GMac HAD to bring Colvin back, remember? So, GMac will just suspend them between games?

 

[ISUKyro]

Sold his soul. That's funny. He sold his soul by cutting a suspension down. Good lord I think that might be taking it too far. How about if all of you guys make this a bigger deal than it really is?If coach Rhoads did this it would be completely fine. Hell three players on the football team got busted for pot, no one ever said a word to the public about it, Banks was back almost right away and no one so much as asked for an explanation. I wonder why that is? I am in no way against Rhoads but it is pathetic how you will treat one coach one way and one coach another. One was in trouble with the law and one had team interaction problems that you or I know very little about. At least treat them fairly.


OK, if Colvin is trouble in the future and is not off the team I will eat my words. His punishment was cut down not totally ignored. I firmly believe he has learned his lesson. Once again, if I am wrong I will eat my words.

Too far really...... paaalllessse Homer Simpson sold his for a donut so they can't be worth that much :biglaugh:

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Dude, we are Iowa State! All we have is mediocrity, besides a few years at the beginning of this decade Iowa State had had little success in basketball. We are not Duke, and some people sure like to ***** after losses like we are!

Well that would explain why we fired a coach with a 55-39 record for this.

 

[CyCrazy]

Colvin made no difference to the outcome of last nights game or will more than likely not in the near future. So by letting him play last night was a move of deperation, it was also a move that said im a big ***** and will not enforce the same rules for eveyone

 

[Tornado man]

Is it? Or did he meet with the players individually and every one wanted him back. I don't ever recall a vote being discussed. That would imply just a simple majority was all that was needed for him to get back.

Even if he met with them individually, players are going to say they want him back regardless of whether they really felt that way. No way a player tells Mac to keep Colvin out, as they all want to be thought of as supporting all their teammates. It's called CYA.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Even if he met with them individually, players are going to say they want him back regardless of whether they really felt that way. No way a player tells Mac to keep Colvin out, as they all want to be thought of as supporting all their teammates. It's called CYA.

I can respect that point. That could happen.

I just have a problem with a lot of people suddenly painting a picture of Mac as now a guy with bad character and no integrity over this decision. If you disagree with it fine, you can certainly make points for it being wrong but Mac is still the same guy. Like I stated earlier we aren't having the same conversation if this is Paul Rhoads. There wasn't anyone this mad when KB was involved in the pot deal and we never got any explanation there. We don't really know how Colvin has been acting in practice or around the team lately except for what we have seen. What I have seen has been impressive.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Colvin made no difference to the outcome of last nights game or will more than likely not in the near future. So by letting him play last night was a move of deperation, it was also a move that said im a big ***** and will not enforce the same rules for eveyone

Who is suspended right now that shouldn't be. Pomlee was kicked off but we have no idea what was going on there.

 

[RoseClone]

But how can you suspend anyone? ISU won't have enough players then. GMac HAD to bring Colvin back, remember? So, GMac will just suspend them between games?

You guys are looking for a template for a suspension when it is really a case by case decision. Mac's call.

You are making up hypothetical situations to make yourself feel good but prove nothing.

 

[ruxCYtable]

May I just point out as an aside since it has come up a number of times in this thread, it is actually illegal to play with four players if you have available players on the bench.

 

[ChickenWing]

Ouch. RoseClone repeatedly put the smack down on DirtyBurn.

 

[bostrem00]

Right now? who cares? we need to do something to win....Just think if coaches actually had principles they stood by....John Calipari wouldn't be at Kentucky, much less build memphis into a power for 4-5 yrs, Tim Floyd wouldn't have bolted for the NBA as well as Larry wouldn't getting caught with coeds in Missouri.....This clean program is getting nowhere fast...our big 12 wins have dropped every year since Mac's been here...it took us 2 years to beat a road team? We play Nebraska and Colorado on the road every year....Those teams aren't even CBI bound from the looks of it....also we've lost our best player every year since Mac has arrived in Ames...man when brackins leaves that would make all 4 years a player has left on non-educational terms...we have to have the weakest turnover rate of teams in the past decade...this seems to be a sinking ship...we need to start dumping the dead weight.....:realmad:

 

[usedcarguy]

Colvin made no difference to the outcome of last nights game or will more than likely not in the near future. So by letting him play last night was a move of deperation, it was also a move that said im a big ***** and will not enforce the same rules for eveyone

Actually he did. Not from his own play necessarily, but by giving minutes so that others can get a break.

 

[fcmc]

Instead we just get to listen to you guys talk about how fantastic a 3 point win over a horrible Nebraska team is. Then when we get beat up we will here sob stories about how Lucca screwed us and none of this is GMAC's fault. Wesley Johnson has far more blame in this then GMAC in the eyes of the GMAC apologists. Since when has mediocrity in ISU basketball been celebrated and defended like it is right now? Pathetic.

I'm amazed at the people on here that are perfectly happy wallowing in the mediocrity that has defined Mcdermott's time here.
And I'm more shocked by the people that somehow think this is the best we can expect at ISU, when people who have been around here for awhile know perfectly well that we have had great success here at times.
Take playing Kansas as an example.
Orr vs. Kansas, 11-20.
Floyd vs. Kansas 3-8.
Eustachy vs. Kansas 5-6.
Morgan vs. Kansas 2-4.
Mcdermott vs. Kansas, going on 0-7.

 

[fcmc]

Colvin made no difference to the outcome of last nights game or will more than likely not in the near future. So by letting him play last night was a move of deperation, it was also a move that said im a big ***** and will not enforce the same rules for eveyone

Remember the post before the season that compared Colvin to Tinsley, and some of the posters insisted that Colvin was better.
I'll bet you could still get some of the deluded people on here to insist that he is.

 

[cyclonenum1]

Dude, we are Iowa State! All we have is mediocrity, besides a few years at the beginning of this decade Iowa State has had little success in basketball. We are not Duke, and some people sure like to ***** after losses like we are!

No one is claiming we are Duke, North Carolina, KU, or Kentucky in MBB. But we certainly have had more success than a "few years at the beginning of this decade".

Until McDermott arrived, we were typically in the post season discussion every year prior to the beginning of the season with legitimate aspirations of post season play.

Let me give you the facts for the 23 years immediately prior to GM's arrival:

15 post seasons in 23 years (65%)

3 NITs (two 1st rounds, one Semi-final)

12 NCAAs (five 1st rounds, 4 second rounds, 2 Sweet 16s, one Elite 8)

Longest stretch with no post season...two years (1990 & 1991 and 1998 & 1999)

About 20 upsets of teams ranked in the top 10 in the country (I can't recall the exact number but I posted it prior to our game with Texas) and I didn't have time to count the wins against top 25 teams in total.

An arena and fan base with a nationally recognized home court advantage.

You get the picture...I would say this is a little better than "mediocrity" or "little success"...and if you define these 23 years that way then how on earth do you define the GM era?

 

[cyclonenum1]

I'm confused by this and I'm old enough to remember.

Can you clarify?

See post 418

 

[jdoggivjc]

My point still stands - if McD stick to his guns and kept Colvin out of the game, and we lost the game because the team got run ragged because the bench was not deep enough, ISU fans would be all over McD for NOT putting Colvin in, especially when word got out that the players wanted Colvin to play (or had no choice but to play him). Then we'd be having the argument that McD is too much of a disciplinarian who doesn't listen to the input of players and who's ideals are more important than what is good for the team.

Basically, ISU fan has placed McD in a no-win situation. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. No matter what he does at this point he can't win with this fan base. Hell, he wins in Lincoln last weekend and his win gets "qualified" by a lot of fans who refuse to be happy that we just won a game.

Look, I don't know anymore whether I want McD to be our coach long term. But for all of the stone-throwing that goes on by this fan base when it comes to ripping Iowa fans for being bipolar when it comes to supporting their team and wanting coaches replaced, this fan base tends to forget that they're living in glass houses...