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I think the freakish comebacks at the end of last year made for a false sense of how good that team was and inflated expectations for this year. Everything fell into place in those games, including some timely missed FTs by the opponent, the OU Technical and inexplicably taking bad quick shots when up by 1000 points in the second half, and of course the Spangler layup.

That critical shot always fell for us during that stretch and this year it's falling for the other team. This will be good test to see what Prohm can do.

yep. Lots of lucky breaks for 4 years. It is coming back to bite us.
 

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We are only 4 games into the conference season. Yes ISU gave one away at home. But don't forget OU is the 2nd ranked team and ISU played them very well on the road. The at Texas game is always a tough one for ISU Fred only won once there.
I remember when we were good enough that we didn't have to hang our hats on being close to winning we had actual wins.
 

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I remember when we found comfort in being "so close" and being ready to "turn the corner"....it was the McDermott era.
 

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I knew CF would blow up tonight but this post is so incredible as to deserve response. For crying out loud, Huggy Bear has been as West Virginia as head coach since 2007! That is 8 years. He has his team, recruited by him and coached by him at his disposal. Prohm has been head coach for the Cyclones for fewer months than Huggins has years at WV. Comparing the two is about the lowest point I have seen on this forum. Incredible!!

It seems you did not read the original post very well - here it is again:

I think everyone can agree this year's team lacks some intensity and perhaps direction at times.

One can't help but wonder if this isn't something that starts at the top. After just watching what might be the most intense team in college basketball (West Virginia), which happens to be coached by someone who is probably the most intense coach in college basketball you have to think the two may be connected. With maybe the exception of Matt Thomas, I think a coach like Huggins would be leaving these guys crying on the bench. Some like it, some don't but it gets results.

Just wonder if it bothers anyone else to see Texas build a lead at the end of the first half while Prohm (quite literally) squatted on court silently for nearly 3 minutes?


The intention isn't to say, well WV won tonight and ISU lost therefore Prohm should do what Huggins does. It also is not some sort of meltdown post either. It is about INTENSITY, that is it. What Huggins has proven is that talent can be a small part of the equation. The guys we have on the bench not playing a minute could be successful with effort under Huggins.

The point is to say that players' attitudes are a reflection of those who lead them. If you want players to play with intensity then I think it is reasonable to expect a coach to coach with the same intensity.
 

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It seems you did not read the original post very well - here it is again:

I think everyone can agree this year's team lacks some intensity and perhaps direction at times.

One can't help but wonder if this isn't something that starts at the top. After just watching what might be the most intense team in college basketball (West Virginia), which happens to be coached by someone who is probably the most intense coach in college basketball you have to think the two may be connected. With maybe the exception of Matt Thomas, I think a coach like Huggins would be leaving these guys crying on the bench. Some like it, some don't but it gets results.

Just wonder if it bothers anyone else to see Texas build a lead at the end of the first half while Prohm (quite literally) squatted on court silently for nearly 3 minutes?


The intention isn't to say, well WV won tonight and ISU lost therefore Prohm should do what Huggins does. It also is not some sort of meltdown post either. It is about INTENSITY, that is it. What Huggins has proven is that talent can be a small part of the equation. The guys we have on the bench not playing a minute could be successful with effort under Higgins.

The point is to say that players' attitudes are a reflection of those who lead them. If you want players to play with intensity then I think it is reasonable to expect a coach to coach with the same intensity.

i think you are a *******, the players attitudes were the same last year. And everyone ******* about when they lost then too.
 

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I remember when we were good enough that we didn't have to hang our hats on being close to winning we had actual wins.

How many wins did CFH have at Texas and at OU? I forget did Baylor win in Hilton last year? I am not saying these are good loses, I am just saying things may not be as bad as they seem.
 

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yep. Lots of lucky breaks for 4 years. It is coming back to bite us.
Disagree. Do you remember the 2012-13 season? Or even Fred's first year?

Our luck has not been good, not good enough to come back and bite us, if you are into that type of illogical thinking.
Georges injury. UK in the second round. White playing so ******* well in his Soph year he leaves early. Ohio State, Georges injury. We were so close to significantly more success if not for a consistent string of important bad breaks, not just random Tuesday night breaks.
 

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I think everyone can agree this year's team lacks some intensity and perhaps direction at times.

One can't help but wonder if this isn't something that starts at the top. After just watching what might be the most intense team in college basketball (West Virginia), which happens to be coached by someone who is probably the most intense coach in college basketball you have to think the two may be connected. With maybe the exception of Matt Thomas, I think a coach like Huggins would be leaving these guys crying on the bench. Some like it, some don't but it gets results.

Just wonder if it bothers anyone else to see Texas build a lead at the end of the first half while Prohm (quite literally) squatted on court silently for nearly 3 minutes?

Nope, not everyone agrees.
 

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Prohm has just seemed uncomfortable coaching this team since day one. At some point he needs to step up as a leader and make this his team or we are going to keep losing games just like tonight.
 

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Prohm has just seemed uncomfortable coaching this team since day one. At some point he needs to step up as a leader and make this his team or we are going to keep losing games just like tonight.

What the hell was all that time in Europe for?
 

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Is it the least talented team or has the least talented coaching staff failed to develop players like Burton and Cooke halfway into the season.
 

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I remember when we found comfort in being "so close" and being ready to "turn the corner"....it was the McDermott era.

All this hand-wringing is over the top if we win at K State our record will be exactly the same as last year through 17 games. I am disappointed, but considering the abrupt and untimely Naz injury, Prohm with relatively little time with the team, guys adjusting to new roles, things could be much worse. The same sky is falling crap was flying last year after Maryland destroyed us and the losses to bad South Carolina and Texas Tech teams last year.
 

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It seems you did not read the original post very well - here it is again:

I think everyone can agree this year's team lacks some intensity and perhaps direction at times.

One can't help but wonder if this isn't something that starts at the top. After just watching what might be the most intense team in college basketball (West Virginia), which happens to be coached by someone who is probably the most intense coach in college basketball you have to think the two may be connected. With maybe the exception of Matt Thomas, I think a coach like Huggins would be leaving these guys crying on the bench. Some like it, some don't but it gets results.

Just wonder if it bothers anyone else to see Texas build a lead at the end of the first half while Prohm (quite literally) squatted on court silently for nearly 3 minutes?


The intention isn't to say, well WV won tonight and ISU lost therefore Prohm should do what Huggins does. It also is not some sort of meltdown post either. It is about INTENSITY, that is it. What Huggins has proven is that talent can be a small part of the equation. The guys we have on the bench not playing a minute could be successful with effort under Huggins.

The point is to say that players' attitudes are a reflection of those who lead them. If you want players to play with intensity then I think it is reasonable to expect a coach to coach with the same intensity.


If got $5 for every post last year that said the same thing about Fred I might not need to play powerball.
People were ******** Fred would not use its timeouts, all the time team got down.

Prohm is following same blueprint as Fred.

Last year more shots fell to win, this year thus far we had a couple of late game winners, but we had a couple miss as well, fine line between winning and losing.

I am going to wait and see what things look like start of Feb.

As its stands now we lost a game we won last year, we can make that up if we win at KSU.
 

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If got $5 for every post last year that said the same thing about Fred I might not need to play powerball.
People were ******** Fred would not use its timeouts, all the time team got down.

Prohm is following same blueprint as Fred.

Last year more shots fell to win, this year thus far we had a couple of late game winners, but we had a couple miss as well, fine line between winning and losing.

I am going to wait and see what things look like start of Feb.

As its stands now we lost a game we won last year, we can make that up if we win at KSU.
Why do people keep comparing to last year. That does not help you're point. Last year's team lost to a 14 seed.
 

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The fact that Steve Prohm has to reassure the fans that he has reached out to "basketball people" and they assure him that the team is making strides is concerning.
 

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Is it the least talented team or has the least talented coaching staff failed to develop players like Burton and Cooke halfway into the season.

Fred had Cooke at practice for a year, shouldn't he be plug and play like the starting 5?
 

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