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Was he credited for the fumble on the botched hand-off off the low snap? It looked to me that it was as much on Robinson and Stephens as it was on Arnaud. And going 17-23 and playing like crap is what I would call a luxury...

The fumble he was screwed. Helmet got on ball. Have to run less up and down so he's tougher to lay a big hit on.
 

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It should be pointed out that 2008 was Arnaud's second year in that system, and that that system wasn't drastically different from the first system he learned as a freshman.

Yes, surprisingly, I forgot that little point of emphasis.
 

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The fumble he was screwed. Helmet got on ball. Have to run less up and down so he's tougher to lay a big hit on.


Yeah, it looked a lot like the one he lost against KSU. Not sure how you correct it, but if you could correct it, look out. Right now I think he might be the most effective every down runner out of that position we've. Not the most explosive, or biggest threat to break one (that's Wallace by a mile), but as evidenced Thursday, when we NEEDED a first down, he got one. His ability to get tough yards and drag tacklers is a great compliment to A-Rob's explosiveness.
 
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He has potential, but he gets to emocional/nervous/jittery in big games and makes too many mistakes (aka Iowa, Beginning of bowl game). I appreciate his hard runs but hate the fumbles. I like the accuracy presented sometimes, but he throws a lot of interceptions. The kid has a lot of potential, and if he can fix the problems he has had over the last year, he can become one of the greatest quarterbacks in ISU history.
 

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He has potential, but he gets to emocional/nervous/jittery in big games and makes too many mistakes (aka Iowa, Beginning of bowl game). I appreciate his hard runs but hate the fumbles. I like the accuracy presented sometimes, but he throws a lot of interceptions. The kid has a lot of potential, and if he can fix the problems he has had over the last year, he can become one of the greatest quarterbacks in ISU history.

I would argue he already is. Behind Amundson, Rosenfels, Wallace, and maybe Espinoza. Ahead of Meyer, Bandhauer, and Doxzon. We don't exactly have an illustrious history at the position.
 

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I would argue he already is. Behind Amundson, Rosenfels, Wallace, and maybe Espinoza. Ahead of Meyer, Bandhauer, and Doxzon. We don't exactly have an illustrious history at the position.
I don't know if he is ahead of Meyer yet.
 

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AA is the man. Am I the only one that thought that Meyer was a Pro-level QB after his freshman year only to be puzzled by the future years? AA looked incredible as a freshman (what we saw of him...) I think that he has the potential to be another Wallace type player for ISU. He just needs something to bring it all together to quote Major League.
 

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AA is the man. Am I the only one that thought that Meyer was a Pro-level QB after his freshman year only to be puzzled by the future years? AA looked incredible as a freshman (what we saw of him...) I think that he has the potential to be another Wallace type player for ISU. He just needs something to bring it all together to quote Major League.

By year five...waiting for potential to show up can be disappointing.
 

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Yeah, it looked a lot like the one he lost against KSU. Not sure how you correct it, but if you could correct it, look out. Right now I think he might be the most effective every down runner out of that position we've. Not the most explosive, or biggest threat to break one (that's Wallace by a mile), but as evidenced Thursday, when we NEEDED a first down, he got one. His ability to get tough yards and drag tacklers is a great compliment to A-Rob's explosiveness.
He always falls forward, and when he takes off on a scramble, a 7 yard run turns into 8+ because he's built like a linebacker. That's HUGE.

Correcting it? Not sure. One of those things you have to tip your cap and say nice hit. Slide maybe? But then he loses 2-3 yards per rush.
 

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He always falls forward, and when he takes off on a scramble, a 7 yard run turns into 8+ because he's built like a linebacker. That's HUGE.

Correcting it? Not sure. One of those things you have to tip your cap and say nice hit. Slide maybe? But then he loses 2-3 yards per rush.

We don't really want him sliding. His rushing style and build gain us yards. You can argue that down the stretch, they locked the game up for us.

Maybe the fumbles won't seem so bad if the INTs can be corrected.

To those that want him to turn into a Wallace type player, well right now he's pretty much a less explosive Wallace. Wallace committed a TON of turnovers. He threw 26 tds and 27 ints in his career and 14 tds and 18 picks his senior year. People forget that because he made some really good, exciting plays. Well, what has Arnaud done? He commits too many turnovers, but makes a lot of exciting plays too. Wallace never won a bowl game either. Arnaud? Check. Both have lead the team on 7 win seasons. Arnaud has a shot to surpass that (albeit not a likely one). Arnaud definitely has some major improvements to make, but the idea that he's a bad player is ridiculous. When you compare him to the guy most folks around here consider the greatest, he's not far off at all.
 
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I sometimes wonder if a reason that Arnaud seemed to struggle passing the ball this year was because he was constantly getting beat up on the keepers. It has to be hard to keep a consistent throwing motion when your arms are getting beat up every game.
 

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If you go back and watch the game his first pick was a td if it had a little more on it. His second he just misread the safety. If that safety wasnt there it was right where you would want to throw it a little deep giving the chance for our WR to get under it for 6. I cant say much about the fumbles in defense for AA but I know he wanted them to happen less than we did. Im thinking that after he gets a full off season to regroup the QB position will be his to lose. Im guessing he keeps it and will have a great SR season.

Capello and Tiller will have to fight hard to beat out Barnett in 2011 IMO but are both capable of starting the next 2 years if they want it more than AA and Barnett.
 

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Some of you guys have questionable memories. You keep saying AA isn't that far off from Wallace. Wallace had a cannon for an arm, and was much faster than Arnaud on his feet. Did he throw interceptions, yes. He also faces Oklahoma and Texas, which AA hasn't done yet.

I get defending the starting QB, but let's be careful on the revision history. Wallace would have started over Arnaud with out question. That being said, Arnaud has performed better than any other QB on staff. He deserves the job and will deserve it until the above mentioned doesn't happen anymore.
 

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We don't really want him sliding. His rushing style and build gain us yards. You can argue that down the stretch, they locked the game up for us.

Maybe the fumbles won't seem so bad if the INTs can be corrected.

To those that want him to turn into a Wallace type player, well right now he's pretty much a less explosive Wallace. Wallace committed a TON of turnovers. He threw 26 tds and 27 ints in his career and 14 tds and 18 picks his senior year. People forget that because he made some really good, exciting plays. Well, what has Arnaud done? He commits too many turnovers, but makes a lot of exciting plays too. Wallace never won a bowl game either. Arnaud? Check. Both have lead the team on 7 win seasons. Arnaud has a shot to surpass that (albeit not a likely one). Arnaud definitely has some major improvements to make, but the idea that he's a bad player is ridiculous. When you compare him to the guy most folks around here consider the greatest, he's not far off at all.

Are these facts? In a post about Arnaud? With a statistical comparison to Wallace? How dare you.
 

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besides the TO's i thought he played amazing...
hence why this is the discussion, the whole time during the minnesota game as they were heading down the game is please.....someone save this game as arnaud has blown this game with his ridiculous stupid turnovers.....(other than the 4 turnovers he played great) anyone can play well outside of the huge mistakes made? Cutler had a great year outside the 25 plus INTS and 10+ fumbles too
 

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hence why this is the discussion, the whole time during the minnesota game as they were heading down the game is please.....someone save this game as arnaud has blown this game with his ridiculous stupid turnovers.....(other than the 4 turnovers he played great) anyone can play well outside of the huge mistakes made? Cutler had a great year outside the 25 plus INTS and 10+ fumbles too
what i meant to say was "while minnesota was heading down the field to win the game"...grammar suffered while i was thinking bout how ****** i was after arnaud almost single handed won and or lost the game for us on several occasions
 

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I sometimes wonder if a reason that Arnaud seemed to struggle passing the ball this year was because he was constantly getting beat up on the keepers. It has to be hard to keep a consistent throwing motion when your arms are getting beat up every game.

I believe he simply is inconsistant with his passes. He's the best we have, but sure misses some open receivers. Whether that will change..we can only hope. He's a great kid and a stand up guy.
 

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The thing is with a lot of those bad throws, he makes some fantastic ones. The deep ball to Jake was spot on. The one I can't get out of my mind is the throw to Marquis in the Kansas game. He makes great throws. That's what excites me about him. I know he has the capability, it is just a matter of him becoming more conistent which I think he will do next year.
 

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Some of you guys have questionable memories. You keep saying AA isn't that far off from Wallace. Wallace had a cannon for an arm, and was much faster than Arnaud on his feet. Did he throw interceptions, yes. He also faces Oklahoma and Texas, which AA hasn't done yet.

I get defending the starting QB, but let's be careful on the revision history. Wallace would have started over Arnaud with out question. That being said, Arnaud has performed better than any other QB on staff. He deserves the job and will deserve it until the above mentioned doesn't happen anymore.


No one is making that argument. I'm just saying that people talk about how bad Arnaud is, and when you compare him to past QBs via statistics and on-field results, it's not much of a difference.