Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FriendlySpartan

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Boise makes more than the rest. The 3 teams coming to the big 12 were offered a bump to stay. I know those.

Do you know if the big ten still shares ticket revenue? I can’t find anything lately and thought they discontinued that.
good to know about boise, haven't really thought about them in a long time but good for them. I don't think the ticket revenue sharing is still in effect but I could be wrong.
 

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OSU has been in the big ten for over a century and hasn't ever caused any problems or done things to rock the boat. Texas has been causing **** for years. Huge difference that again you cant see because of your past experience with them so you just assume everyone like them conducts themselves the same way.
They still have a gigantic ego. They have not cause the issues...yet. Although, over the past history the other members have been willing to bend to their will as needed.

Texas is a step ahead of OSU, but they are still the same. You just cant see it because they are your gravy train. You guys are basically the addict, they are your dealer. You are so hooked you cant even see it.
 

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To the two Big 10 fans in here or any that might show up later, I really want to know your perspectives as to why you think the tops of the P2 wouldn't do what we're saying they will. The only common factor through all of realingment so far has been the pursuit of money. Why would Ohio State suddenly be like "Ok. we have enough money now, time to stop" when there's more obvious angles for them to make money, namely either asking for unequal revenue or doing what's happening/happened/about to happen to the rest of the P5 conferences and leave them in the dust to make even more money. What motivation do they have to keep making the same money as Northwestern when NW doesn't bring bring anything in and OSU are the biggest money makers in the league. Same for the SEC. If someone gets in their ear and says "hey, if you want more money leave the lucky to be there teams behind. We're telling the SEC powers the same thing. You'll make more money if you both ditch the losers and join this new thing we're doing." Why would they say no? The sanctity of the game hasn't matter yet so why would it now? Winning not being sustainable for everyone hasn't either so why would it now?

If there's an angle you guys know that we don't please share. Obviously it's not happening right now, that's not what i'm getting at. But what's stopping the pursuit of money all of a sudden?
The B1G is about to lock down a massive media deal, full-time members are going to get an equal share. That's what we know. Assuming that deal is at minimum 6 years, possibly more, full-time members will get an equal share through the duration of it. There's never been a single, serious report of the B1G or SEC moving to unequal revenue sharing for full-time members. When something like that is being reported from a reputable source, I'll believe it might happen. Until then, I won't. It's really just fantastical wishful thinking from those who don't like current B1G and SEC member schools.
 

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The B1G is about to lock down a massive media deal, full-time members are going to get an equal share. That's what we know. Assuming that deal is at minimum 6 years, possibly more, full-time members will get an equal share through the duration of it. There's never been a single, serious report of the B1G or SEC moving to unequal revenue sharing for full-time members. When something like that is being reported from a reputable source, I'll believe it might happen. Until then, I won't. It's really just fantastical wishful thinking from those who don't like current B1G and SEC member schools.
I see what you're saying there. I'm not necessarily thinking unequal money will happen. I do think that eventually a Fox or ESPN is gonna ask why they're paying for Rutgers and Indiana who bring nothing and something simular to what just happened with the Big 12 and Pac 12 happened, but this time to bail to their own thing. Does that seem unrealistic or is it just the uneven money part? I personally just can't see the pursuit of money stopping teams and media exes for any reason that hasn't matter yet.
 

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To the two Big 10 fans in here or any that might show up later, I really want to know your perspectives as to why you think the tops of the P2 wouldn't do what we're saying they will. The only common factor through all of realingment so far has been the pursuit of money. Why would Ohio State suddenly be like "Ok. we have enough money now, time to stop" when there's more obvious angles for them to make money, namely either asking for unequal revenue or doing what's happening/happened/about to happen to the rest of the P5 conferences and leave them in the dust to make even more money. What motivation do they have to keep making the same money as Northwestern when NW doesn't bring bring anything in and OSU are the biggest money makers in the league. Same for the SEC. If someone gets in their ear and says "hey, if you want more money leave the lucky to be there teams behind. We're telling the SEC powers the same thing. You'll make more money if you both ditch the losers and join this new thing we're doing." Why would they say no? The sanctity of the game hasn't matter yet so why would it now? Winning not being sustainable for everyone hasn't either so why would it now?

If there's an angle you guys know that we don't please share. Obviously it's not happening right now, that's not what i'm getting at. But what's stopping the pursuit of money all of a sudden?
So the major problem is the texas issue. Simply put none of the top programs in the SEC or Big ten behave like that, at least that I am aware of, and a school like OSU has been in the same conference for over a century. Outside of that the teams that have been moving in realignment have all been leaving unstable positions for more stable ones. They haven't been creating anything new or leaving a well established conference. The pac is a dumpster fire for all the reasons discussed ad nauseum over the last couple months and as much as the board hates it and i personally disagree the Big12 has a massive perception problem. To the people at OUT its like being the most popular kid at he outcast table. Clemson probably feels that way too even though all their success is very recent and might not be sustainable.

So while USC and OUT have left its kinda easy to understand why. This idea that the top 20 teams will all get together and decide to leave the conference at once is just so unrealistic and none of the schools outside texas have ever given a reason that they would do that. Michigan would 100% not, as i mentioned they wont even do NIL, and if you really did make a power league then the ratings would plummet because of the sheer number of teams left out. Right now technically no team has been left out even if it feels that way.
 

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They still have a gigantic ego. They have not cause the issues...yet. Although, over the past history the other members have been willing to bend to their will as needed.

Texas is a step ahead of OSU, but they are still the same. You just cant see it because they are your gravy train. You guys are basically the addict, they are your dealer. You are so hooked you cant even see it.
Name a single time outside of a global pandemic where the others have bent to their will?
 

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The B1G is about to lock down a massive media deal, full-time members are going to get an equal share. That's what we know. Assuming that deal is at minimum 6 years, possibly more, full-time members will get an equal share through the duration of it. There's never been a single, serious report of the B1G or SEC moving to unequal revenue sharing for full-time members. When something like that is being reported from a reputable source, I'll believe it might happen. Until then, I won't. It's really just fantastical wishful thinking from those who don't like current B1G and SEC member schools.
To say that uneven revenue, or a breakaway, pushed by media wont happen is pretty naive. If you look at the last couple decades of how realignment, money and all things have went, when it is about money nothing else matters.

No one is saying this is happening this year, or next. What we are saying is as this round of realignment finishes, and this next round of contracts come to an end, what will be the next push, to increase the pay? What will the media partners push, what will the schools push?

If you think none of what we are saying is possible, then you are really naive. Just as naive as when people said the pac 12 was the most stable, because of geography, or that the Big 10 would never add USC. You really have to stop thinking that way. Because when it is about money, nothing else matters.
 

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I see what you're saying there. I'm not necessarily thinking unequal money will happen. I do think that eventually a Fox or ESPN is gonna ask why they're paying for Rutgers and Indiana who bring nothing and something simular to what just happened with the Big 12 and Pac 12 happened, but this time to bail to their own thing. Does that seem unrealistic or is it just the uneven money part? I personally just can't see the pursuit of money stopping teams and media exes for any reason that hasn't matter yet.
They will ask the same question ten years later when a school like Texas wins 1-2 games ten years in a row and their stadium looks like the Jayhawks and fans stop tuning in.
 

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I see what you're saying there. I'm not necessarily thinking unequal money will happen. I do think that eventually a Fox or ESPN is gonna ask why they're paying for Rutgers and Indiana who bring nothing and something simular to what just happened with the Big 12 and Pac 12 happened, but this time to bail to their own thing. Does that seem unrealistic or is it just the uneven money part? I personally just can't see the pursuit of money stopping teams and media exes for any reason that hasn't matter yet.
Because football is cyclical for many teams. If you put this question out a decade ago clemson would be a joke after thought that would be cut from any serious discussion. Now they are a short term power. Not that long ago Rutgers was rattling off consistent 8/9 win seasons with even an 11 win season thrown in there. Just because a couple schools have dominated recruiting the last decade doesn't mean that will continue, NIL is already having an effect.
 

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OSU has been in the big ten for over a century and hasn't ever caused any problems or done things to rock the boat. Texas has been causing **** for years. Huge difference that again you cant see because of your past experience with them so you just assume everyone like them conducts themselves the same way.

I hope the Big 12 can add the mountain schools and set up a nice stable and competitive league.

ACC and Pac are going to have stability problems going forward, and it's hard for me to believe that the B1G or SEC are issue-free forever. Too many divas in those leagues lol
 

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the teams that have been moving in realignment have all been leaving unstable positions for more stable ones. They haven't been creating anything new or leaving a well established conference.

Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and A&M all contributed to the instability of the Big 12 from day one. The "unstable position" they left was of their own creation.
 

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I see what you're saying there. I'm not necessarily thinking unequal money will happen. I do think that eventually a Fox or ESPN is gonna ask why they're paying for Rutgers and Indiana who bring nothing and something simular to what just happened with the Big 12 and Pac 12 happened, but this time to bail to their own thing. Does that seem unrealistic or is it just the uneven money part? I personally just can't see the pursuit of money stopping teams and media exes for any reason that hasn't matter yet.
Don't disagree about the pursuit of money thing. But the megaultrasuperleague thing still baffles me. I didn't get an answer earlier. Assuming the 10 really elite brands break off and form their own thing, how does it work? They'd all play each other in the regular season I'd think, then the top two would emerge and play in a title game. Then what? Is that the new CFP championship game? And what happens to the brands of those "elite" programs who are in the megaultrasuperleague that finish in the bottom half every year? If PSU struggles to stay above .500 because they're playing Bama and Georgia and tOSU and Michigan and ND and USC and the rest every regular season, is the PSU elite brand still an elite brand? If not, why would Bama and tOSU want to continue sharing revenue with a non-elite brand like that?
 
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To say that uneven revenue, or a breakaway, pushed by media wont happen is pretty naive. If you look at the last couple decades of how realignment, money and all things have went, when it is about money nothing else matters.

No one is saying this is happening this year, or next. What we are saying is as this round of realignment finishes, and this next round of contracts come to an end, what will be the next push, to increase the pay? What will the media partners push, what will the schools push?

If you think none of what we are saying is possible, then you are really naive. Just as naive as when people said the pac 12 was the most stable, because of geography, or that the Big 10 would never add USC. You really have to stop thinking that way. Because when it is about money, nothing else matters.
You didn't answer my earlier question.
 

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I hope the Big 12 can add the mountain schools and set up a nice stable and competitive league.

ACC and Pac are going to have stability problems going forward, and it's hard for me to believe that the B1G or SEC are issue-free forever. Too many divas in those leagues lol
Read the quote in your own link it wasn't serious. You can think about going out tonight and hooking up with sydney sweeny, not like its actually going to happen.
 

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Name a single time outside of a global pandemic where the others have bent to their will?
You really lean on that covid stuff as an excuse dont you. pretty sad.

Funny how the Big 12, SEC, and ACC had so much less problems with it.

But then again I dont use it as an excuse for anything, not in any part of my life. Other than my changed taste and smell. Its an overplayed excuse by people that need excuses.

You know damn well OSU and Michigan Run that conference.
 

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LOL the league is run by OSU. Nothing happens without checking with Gene Smith first.
Cool can you point out a single serious non covid thing where that actually happened? Not some random joke or throwaway comment but an actual thing that has been changed to fit OSU?
 
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