Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FriendlySpartan

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You really lean on that covid stuff as an excuse dont you. pretty sad.

Funny how the Big 12, SEC, and ACC had so much less problems with it.

But then again I dont use it as an excuse for anything, not in any part of my life. Other than my changed taste and smell. Its an overplayed excuse by people that need excuses.

You know damn well OSU and Michigan Run that conference.
Pretty sure you can look at the demographics and get why those conferences made those decisions. I'm not getting political on this so I will leave it at that. All i will say is I asked you to prove your point about OSU running the conference and you cant. Are they the undisputed best team in football absolutely but they don't run a conference.
 
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Read the quote in your own link it wasn't serious. You can think about going out tonight and hooking up with sydney sweeny, not like its actually going to happen.
All it takes is one guy who gets in that position to make a move. If Ohio State can make more money doing something other than B1G, I wouldn't get my hopes up that they would stay (see Nebraska, Texas, OU, USC, etc.)
 

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Don't disagree about the pursuit of money thing. But the megaultrasuperleague thing still baffles me. I didn't get an answer earlier. Assuming the 10 really elite brands break off and form their own thing, how does it work? They'd all play each other in the regular season I'd think, then the top two would emerge and play in a title game. Then what? Is that the new CFP championship game? And what happens to the brands of those "elite" programs who are in the megaultrasuperleague that finish in the bottom half every year? If PSU struggles to stay above .500 because they're playing Bama and Georgia and tOSU and Michigan and ND and USC and the rest every regular season, is the PSU elite brand still an elite brand?
Is Nebraska going to be in this league? Does Alabama get booted after Saban retires?

This one super league break away just isn’t happening. How mad will ESPN be when most of the US continues to watch their own teams, which makes up most of college football rather than the select few super league teams who just beat up on each other, and don’t seem as elite anymore?
 
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So the major problem is the texas issue. Simply put none of the top programs in the SEC or Big ten behave like that, at least that I am aware of, and a school like OSU has been in the same conference for over a century. Outside of that the teams that have been moving in realignment have all been leaving unstable positions for more stable ones. They haven't been creating anything new or leaving a well established conference. The pac is a dumpster fire for all the reasons discussed ad nauseum over the last couple months and as much as the board hates it and i personally disagree the Big12 has a massive perception problem. To the people at OUT its like being the most popular kid at he outcast table. Clemson probably feels that way too even though all their success is very recent and might not be sustainable.

So while USC and OUT have left its kinda easy to understand why. This idea that the top 20 teams will all get together and decide to leave the conference at once is just so unrealistic and none of the schools outside texas have ever given a reason that they would do that. Michigan would 100% not, as i mentioned they wont even do NIL, and if you really did make a power league then the ratings would plummet because of the sheer number of teams left out. Right now technically no team has been left out even if it feels that way.
Addressing the Big 12 point quick before I get into the rest, I do agree there's a perception issue. People are arguing the Pac 12 is stealing our teams even though like you said, they are a total dumpster fire of people stuck in the 80s mentally. My hope for Yormark is that he knows that and pursues the gaps in the market that the SEC and Big 10 don't' have covered, like finding the best money and culture fits, getting the most rivalries into the conference as possible, and finding outside the box but not stupid media deals to lessen the gap as much as possible. Eventually I think there will be an SEC fatigue that sets in and the Big 10 ignoring the culture aspects in their realingment moves makes me think theres a really good shot for us to sneak in as the fun old fashioned hate conference while also implementing new media, marketing, and scheduling ideas to actually feel like the "hip and cool" conference. We'll always be 3rd at best in money but maybe we can get ourselves viewed into a P3 with the right moves even if financially we're never that.

For the main parts, that is a good point. There has been issues in both of those conferences for a while so it was more of a when not if. I just can't see the pursuit of money ending either though. Every realignment move so far has had money as the driving factor and the chance to say, ok we have enough now, has came and gone constantly. Maybe something else happens, I don't know and we're talking about something that's not happening until the 2030s or 2040s or so anyhow. I don't believe that Ohio State values Northwestern or Alabama values South Carolina enough to turn down leaving them behind to go make possibly billions of dollars to join with the other major teams from the opposite conference.

On the point of nobody being left behind, it is kinda funny that there's only 1 team who has actually been left behind in all of this, which is USF not finding a major conference after the Big East/AAC split. Now that Cincy is heading to the Big 12 everyone else got back into the power conferences somehow. Doubt there's anything to that but weird how it worked out
 
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All it takes is one guy who gets in that position to make a move. If Ohio State can make more money doing something other than B1G, I wouldn't get my hopes up that they would stay (see Nebraska, Texas, OU, USC, etc.)
So three teams that left the big 12 and a team that left a burning building. Not a great sample size there my man. Again I get that everyone on here has been burned so you see it everywhere you look but that's not how the SEC or Big Ten operate.
 
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Not exactly sure.
I don't know for sure if they did, cant find anything that says they didn't I just know it was discussed.
I am pretty sure they did (not positive) and hearing that the larger stadium teams didn’t feel it was right that they had to give their earnings to the other teams that didn’t draw as well.

Does that sound like a dovetail to something else?
 
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Addressing the Big 12 point quick before I get into the rest, I do agree there's a perception issue. People are arguing the Pac 12 is stealing our teams even though like you said, they are a total dumpster fire of people stuck in the 80s mentally. My hope for Yormark is that he knows that and pursues the gaps in the market that the SEC and Big 10 don't' have covered, like finding the best money and culture fits, getting the most rivalries into the conference as possible, and finding outside the box but not stupid media deals to lessen the gap as much as possible. Eventually I think there will be an SEC fatigue that sets in and the Big 10 ignoring the culture aspects in their realingment moves makes me think theres a really good shot for us to sneak in as the fun old fashioned hate conference while also implementing new media, marketing, and scheduling ideas to actually feel like the "hip and cool" conference. We'll always be 3rd at best in money but maybe we can get ourselves viewed into a P3 with the right moves even if financially we're never that.

For the main parts, that is a good point. There has been issues in both of those conferences for a while so it was more of a when not if. I just can't see the pursuit of money ending either though. Every realignment move so far has had money as the driving factor and the chance to say, ok we have enough now, has came and gone constantly. Maybe something else happens, I don't know and we're talking about something that's not happening until the 2030s or 2040s or so anyhow. I don't believe that Ohio State values Northwestern or Alabama values South Carolina enough to turn down leaving them behind to go make possibly billions of dollars to join with the other major teams from the opposite conference.

On the point of nobody being left behind, it is kinda funny that there's only 1 team who has actually been left behind in all of this, which is USF not finding a major conference after the Big East/AAC split. Now that Cincy is heading to the Big 12 everyone else got back into the power conferences somehow. Doubt there's anything to that but weird how it worked out
Valid points all of them. Also to your point in the 2030's or 2040's who knows. If you went back 10-20 years ago no one would have thought all this was possible.
 
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Cool can you point out a single serious non covid thing where that actually happened? Not some random joke or throwaway comment but an actual thing that has been changed to fit OSU?
Gene gets everything he’s wanted, especially when delaney was in charge. There is a reason Nebraska is always belly-aching and not OSU or Michigan.
 
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I am pretty sure they did (not positive) and hearing that the larger stadium teams didn’t feel it was right that they had to give their earnings to the other teams that didn’t draw as well.

Does that sound like a dovetail to something else?
I'm not sure if it is still in place or not. Personally I think its apples and oranges but I know the narrative you are trying to go with so I know we will disagree.
 

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Don't disagree about the pursuit of money thing. But the megaultrasuperleague thing still baffles me. I didn't get an answer earlier. Assuming the 10 really elite brands break off and form their own thing, how does it work? They'd all play each other in the regular season I'd think, then the top two would emerge and play in a title game. Then what? Is that the new CFP championship game? And what happens to the brands of those "elite" programs who are in the megaultrasuperleague that finish in the bottom half every year? If PSU struggles to stay above .500 because they're playing Bama and Georgia and tOSU and Michigan and ND and USC and the rest every regular season, is the PSU elite brand still an elite brand? If not, why would Bama and tOSU want to continue sharing revenue with a non-elite brand like that?
This is what people have been saying about the B1G and SEC poaching the top teams from other conferences for years, but they still continue to do it. Someone still has to lose etc.

If this league forms some day, who knows who all is in and who is out. But it can and would be used as leverage for the big brands for unequal revenue to stay in said conferences, and least for the time being.

But again in said super league, we all know its terrible for the sport, but so has pretty much every move made over the last 40 years. They dont care, if it makes more money.

say they take 24 teams, it would basically be 2 divisions or 3, or even 4. then those teams would probably also still play non cons and lower leagues, just as we play non cons and G5s and FCS today.
Then at the end of the year they would have a playoff and a champ. Just like in the NFL or similar.
It is not that difficult.

Again, the next round this could be a threat just to get uneven revenue. Then the following it could actually happen. Who knows.
 

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Gene gets everything he’s wanted, especially when delaney was in charge. There is a reason Nebraska is always belly-aching and not OSU or Michigan.
Yep and you or anyone else can feel free to point out what big change happened to help them out, ive asked multiple people and no one has anything. Nebraska complains because that is what they were used to doing in the big 12. The big ten told them to go sit in the corner and that's where they have been since.
 

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Not exactly sure.
I'm not sure if it is still in place or not. Personally I think its apples and oranges but I know the narrative you are trying to go with so I know we will disagree.
A lot of this discussion comes down to how long gene smith is around, how much he can be trusted, and who his successor will be. I can answer one of them but not the other two. You are plugging your ears when we answer the one we know.
 
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So three teams that left the big 12 and a team that left a burning building. Not a great sample size there my man. Again I get that everyone on here has been burned so you see it everywhere you look but that's not how the SEC or Big Ten operate.
I think it's naive to think that everyone's great pals in the B1G and it will work out forever. Like they have some kind of superior alliance over any other conference.

Most of these teams operate and create allies on mutual interest. If Ohio State can make more money doing something else, and can preserve what they value (like the Michigan game), I believe they would cut a Purdue/Northwestern/Rutgers/Maryland/etc. out no-questions-asked.
 

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I think it's naive to think that everyone's great pals in the B1G and it will work out forever.

Most of these teams operate and create allies on mutual interest. If Ohio State can make more money doing something else, and can preserve what they value (like the Michigan game), I believe they would cut a Purdue/Northwestern/etc. out no-questions-asked.
You could very well be correct but the rest of the conference wouldn't agree and that is the differnce between the way the big ten runs things vs the way the old big 12 just gave certain teams whatever they wanted and why everyone on here seems to think thats the way it works.
 

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