Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[AuH2O]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

This is about survival of the big 12 schools, which means getting a conference that not only can be large enough and sound to be in position to not get locked out of future playoff plans by the SEC and Big 10, but that makes the most revenue it can.

Everybody needs to stop about the "culture" or "I don't want them because they don't want to be in the Big 12" crap.

Every team currently in the Big 12, PAC, and ACC wants to be in the Big 10 or SEC. Every one. The money difference now is so clear, even between SEC/Big 10 and third place Big 12 that everything will be completely binary. Whether it's UW or Oregon, or anybody else. If they Big 10 determines they want them, then they'll go to the Big 10. If not, they can either hold the PAC together or join the Big 12. If UW and Oregon get the Big 10 invite, then the PACs dead and the remaining schools that the Big 12 invites will join because that's going to be their only option for legitimate survival as a big-boy AD. The fact that Utah or ASU fans or ADs are in denial about this means nothing. They simply haven't run into the reality that very well may happen where it's Big 12 or die. If they face that reality, they'll gladly join and magically become the biggest Big 12 sunshine pumpers out there. Why? Because it's the only good option they'll have. And if BY and the ADs think Utah and ASU are the best adds in terms of revenue and strength toward playoff inclusion, then they'll add them.

There's nothing that says Okie State or TCU doesn't start kicking ass in the conference, cleaning up huge ratings, and start becoming a pain in the ass or talking about "merit-based revenues."

The Big 12 remainders aren't bound together by some cultural ties or friendships. They are tied together because this has been their option to stay relevant and survive. And if it smacks Utah or ASU in the face that joining the Big 12 helps them and the conference, then suddenly everybody will get on board.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

I get why people are sympatric to both schools, they are like ISU, but in a much worst geographic area. Small but enthusiastic fan bases do not move the needle with ratings, it's nearly impossible to get to each school by plane, and both schools play second fiddle to their more famous state schools, in terms of recruiting and fanbase.

It sucks for them, and I am glad it's not us this time, but we have to worry about the ISU and the B12, not other schools that will be on the short end of the stick when this whole deal falls apart. They will be fine in the MWC.

 

[KennyPratt42]

If you were going to have relegation in DI college football the natural thing would be to have something like 4 levels. Roughly speaking the top half of the current FBS, the bottom half of the current FBS, the top half of the current FCS, and bottom half of the current FCS. It would require college football to be outside conferences and have some type of centralized body governing and administering it. Each level would have between 60 and 65 teams with a 16 team playoff to end the year. Between the levels there could be some differences in scholarship numbers and top level could have some type of salary/stipend that's allowed to be paid by the schools.

 

[State2015]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

I would absolutely love the NW state schools in the B12 I think they’d be a great cultural fit. But it’s all about the $$$$ and they’re definitely not additive

 

[twojman]

Please stop talking about relegation. It's just dumb.

 

[CascadeClone]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

The simple answer to your question, which you already know, is the media contract would not increase at the same per-team rate. The TV people just don't value them.

Otherwise I think most of us would be thrilled to have them at the party. The geography isn't conducive, but they both seem like they would be good cultural fits. No one in the Big12 wants to see them get left out, because we've all looked that in the mirror before.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

Because they can't support a pro rata increase in TV money from any network or streaming service.

 

[ClonerJams]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

Personally I think it would be fun to play Washington State and Oregon State. But the market tells us they're not a valuable addition, and this is about making the Big 12 as strong as possible.

 

[Nolaeer]

Washinton state and oregon state would be far worse than Uconn or Memphis. Far worse. i mean, yeah, they're power 5, but so is wake forest, and no one is taking them.

 

[Jkclone15]

Washinton state and oregon state would be far worse than Uconn or Memphis. Far worse. i mean, yeah, they're power 5, but so is wake forest, and no one is taking them.

I would put Washington State on about the same level as Memphis. Agree that UCONN is worth more and Oregon State is worth less

 

[LLCoolCY]

Hey another deadline date...

 

[KnappShack]

Hey another deadline date...

I hope they do cobble enough of a deal to keep them together.

The PAC is a great conference.

 

[cykadelic2]

Hey another deadline date...

6/30 always has been the rational deadline date.

 

[06_CY]

I hope they do cobble enough of a deal to keep them together.

The PAC is a great conference.

I plan to be at the PAC12 conference championship game this year. Have my Vegas trip all booked, just need to get the $5 game tickets day-of.

 

[exCyDing]

6/30 always has been the rational deadline date.

That's what I've been saying for months. There's three possible scenarios:

1. A deal gets done before the end of June (preferred option of everyone but WA and OR)
2. Schools start to jump ship for the B12 around the end of June (not sure this is anyone's first choice)
3. Everyone decides to stay put in the PAC and a 3-5 year deal gets done at some point (WA and OR's preference, just in case the B10 decides to offer a last-minute invite).

The B10 releasing their '24 and '25 schedules sure seems like a message to WA and OR that they're not getting an invite this go-around and they might as well make arrangements for the next couple of years.

 

[KnappShack]

I plan to be at the PAC12 conference championship game this year. Have my Vegas trip all booked, just need to get the $5 game tickets day-of.

Better spent at Spearmint Rhino, but fun either way

 

[Acylum]

Interesting thread re WSU.

 

[Kinch]

This is about survival of the big 12 schools, which means getting a conference that not only can be large enough and sound to be in position to not get locked out of future playoff plans by the SEC and Big 10, but that makes the most revenue it can.

Everybody needs to stop about the "culture" or "I don't want them because they don't want to be in the Big 12" crap.

Every team currently in the Big 12, PAC, and ACC wants to be in the Big 10 or SEC. Every one. The money difference now is so clear, even between SEC/Big 10 and third place Big 12 that everything will be completely binary. Whether it's UW or Oregon, or anybody else. If they Big 10 determines they want them, then they'll go to the Big 10. If not, they can either hold the PAC together or join the Big 12. If UW and Oregon get the Big 10 invite, then the PACs dead and the remaining schools that the Big 12 invites will join because that's going to be their only option for legitimate survival as a big-boy AD. The fact that Utah or ASU fans or ADs are in denial about this means nothing. They simply haven't run into the reality that very well may happen where it's Big 12 or die. If they face that reality, they'll gladly join and magically become the biggest Big 12 sunshine pumpers out there. Why? Because it's the only good option they'll have. And if BY and the ADs think Utah and ASU are the best adds in terms of revenue and strength toward playoff inclusion, then they'll add them.

There's nothing that says Okie State or TCU doesn't start kicking ass in the conference, cleaning up huge ratings, and start becoming a pain in the ass or talking about "merit-based revenues."

The Big 12 remainders aren't bound together by some cultural ties or friendships. They are tied together because this has been their option to stay relevant and survive. And if it smacks Utah or ASU in the face that joining the Big 12 helps them and the conference, then suddenly everybody will get on board.

Maybe we would get fortunate and the SEC will hire Barta to oversee their NIL

 

[CascadeClone]

6/30 always has been the rational deadline date.

It makes you wonder if Kliavkoff is flat-out stalling to try to trap teams into staying regardless of how good/bad/marginal the deal is. Although the info from Wazzu about numbers presented today would counter that.

 

[2speedy1]

Will someone tell me why the Big 12 shouldn't take WSU and OSU in addition to Colorado and Arizona? That gets them to 16, a nice safe number. Plus, I've been to OSU before, both those schools are totally sympatico with the original Big 8 schools, they are a perfect cultural match. Good student/alumni support to boot.

Money