Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

lyndal

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What needs to happen is Brett Yormark takes 8 teams from the ACC. Dissolves the ACC. Which will increase their payouts 2 to 3 fold.
 

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Like others have mentioned, I think that the schools will begin to jump ship once they find out the new TV deal money isn't very good. They are just waiting for the dollar amounts before they make a decision.
If I had to bet, they'd be locking into a long term deal at payouts well below what the Big 12 could offer. That would be a hard pill to swallow.
 
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This is getting interesting, potentially litigation about UCLA move


Figured this was going to happen at some point and I'm sure UCLA factored it into them leaving. I'm guessing even with litigation, UCLA still thought their best move was the Big 10. The UCLA athletic department is in awful financial shape.
 

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Figured this was going to happen at some point and I'm sure UCLA factored it into them leaving. I'm guessing even with litigation, UCLA still thought their best move was the Big 10. The UCLA athletic department is in awful financial shape.

I’m only surprised it took this long. I suppose it fits with Cal athletics though

I had wondered if the Cal silence was due to working for an invite or one even being assumed forthcoming
 

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As to #2. What's ESPN's incentive to renegotiate a TV deal? Seems they have a great deal locked in for 10 more years. Why would they even consider adding teams that would increase that cost?
The only way they would renegotiate the deal would be if someone joins/leaves. But that is separate from the GoR. With that there is nothing that says they will substantially increase the deal, rather it could be just increase/decrease the pay by said number of teams joining/leaving. For instance just add the current rate of pay for someone joining.

But any team that joins the ACC is required to sign on to their GoR Until 2036.
 

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Who really wins if this goes to court? In terms of realignment?

If the schools trying to leave win in court, they win in realignment 100%.

If the schools trying to prevent others from leaving win in court, they only maybe win in realignment. Does the now bloodied ACC get back together? Do they find a better conference than the "3rd" ESPN likely could setup for them if they did not challenge? Where are they playing while it is in court?

If the schools seeking to leave lose in court, as long as the costs were less than $800 million it was worth a try and they could presumably settle to go back to ACC,

If the schools trying to uphold the GOR lose in court, well, it is game over for a few. Which it is come 2036 for a few too, so risk-adjusted, they'd settle out of court to get value from the GOR, locking in a sufficient realignment solution that likely pays them more than their current ACC deal
The problem is, there are a lot of ifs in that.
Universities and Conferences dont like ifs.
They also dont like to go into anything when there is this much uncertainty on either side.

For instance Clemson, is going to be hesitant to apply to join the SEC when they do not know the exit penalties for said application. Whether that be court, or negotiation it is a great unknown.

The SEC is going to be hesitant to invite Clemson, not knowing if, they can get out of said exit penalties, or be able to bring their media rights with them.

These people dont like not knowing the outcome before they go into anything. This will be ultimately what stops any change with the ACC or at least slows things down on that front. There will be a lot of work and analysis before anything really moves in the ACC, I believe.

But I could be wrong too. But we have seen OuT is still in the Big 12 because they didnt want to leave/challenge the GoR.
 

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The problem is, there are a lot of ifs in that.
Universities and Conferences dont like ifs.
They also dont like to go into anything when there is this much uncertainty on either side.

For instance Clemson, is going to be hesitant to apply to join the SEC when they do not know the exit penalties for said application. Whether that be court, or negotiation it is a great unknown.

The SEC is going to be hesitant to invite Clemson, not knowing if, they can get out of said exit penalties, or be able to bring their media rights with them.

These people dont like not knowing the outcome before they go into anything. This will be ultimately what stops any change with the ACC or at least slows things down on that front. There will be a lot of work and analysis before anything really moves in the ACC, I believe.

But I could be wrong too. But we have seen OuT is still in the Big 12 because they didnt want to leave/challenge the GoR.

That is what I am saying. Everything is an IF. The potential leftover ACC schools have more IFs and risks if they don't settle. On the other hand, what is known is that doing nothing results in the schools seeking a P2 knowing they are out $800 million. The IFs (risk) breakdown is asymmetrical, and favors action.

Because of how this needs to go down, backchannel, it will take a little time. But as the UNC writer suggested, if 6 have backchannel green lights to P2, it will be settled imo. You think UT and OU just worked their exit when A&M broke the leak?

Comparing this to OUT is amiss. OUT has so little time left on the GOR, and less to lose. Which is why is the GOR is not prohibitive to schools leaving early, then they will leave soon. Every year that passes is less of a reason for schools to challenge, and less leverage for ESPN to use the GOR to control the breakup
 

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Same news as reported elsewhere but UteNation realizes it is only a short term deal


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ESPN would like to blow up their ACC deal because they will get more by moving those teams to the SEC, then if they continue to have to pay off the bargain ACC contract. The ACC outside of a few schools does not draw large TV football audiences, much like the LHN never did.

By getting the schools they want out from under the GOR agreement, they then get them into the SEC, thereby increasing that payout and getting rid of any money owed to the ACC, much like they did with the LHN.
 

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Hypothetically, if the Big 12 GOR/deal were to be to 2036, would ISU rather make a ton of money (likely via court) but potentially end up in American or MWC either now or closer to 2036, or trade that GOR option in exchange for ESPN/OUT (plus say KU) to make the the Big 12 leftovers a P3 setup in which we make slightly more through 2036 than we would have with OUT in the Big 12?
I’m sure most schools would take that option but there might be enough unwanted teams plus those that simply couldn’t swing it to pay out GoR for the league to dissolve. Plus for a lot of teams they might get the Maryland, Rutgers and even Nebraska deal. They had to forgo tons of media dollars for years.

It would be one thing if there were 4-5 years left on the ACC GOR. Announce you are leaving, and if the instability gets enough to leave and dissolve, you are good. Otherwise worst case Is you sit tight until it dissolves, you can afford the payout, or at worst you ride out the 5 years. It’s just SO long that it is going to take somebody making a really bold move.

I wonder how it would work if a few ACC teams could come to an agreement to join pending dissolution if the league within a specified time frame. If something like that was announced, you probably see the league fold.
 

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