Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[SEIOWA CLONE]

There aren't 24 programs at the level of tOSU, Bama, ND, etc. So if you put 10ish elite brands in with 12-14 non-elite brands, how is that different from what you currently have in the B1G and SEC as the P2?

The NFL does not have 32 great teams, and this new college league will not either. There will be a few teams that were once dominate like a Nebraska, that wants to be added to it.

The B10 and SEC will reach a point after the ACC is destroyed when the true blue bloods of the sport will start to wonder "why are we supporting schools like Maryland and Purdue that really do not bring much in terms of money into the league."

That is the point when the Ohio States and Michigan's will either get more money, unequal revenue or they will leave to form a new league.

I hear a lot of EIU fans saying, "since we are a member of the B10 we are safe from all of this and can just ride off happy into the setting sun." I would say, just because you are well of now, does not mean you will be forever.

 

[AlaCyclone]

The NFL does not have 32 great teams, and this new college league will not either. There will be a few teams that were once dominate like a Nebraska, that wants to be added to it.

The B10 and SEC will reach a point after the ACC is destroyed when the true blue bloods of the sport will start to wonder "why are we supporting schools like Maryland and Purdue that really do not bring much in terms of money into the league."

That is the point when the Ohio States and Michigan's will either get more money, unequal revenue or they will leave to form a new league.

I hear a lot of EIU fans saying, "since we are a member of the B10 we are safe from all of this and can just ride off happy into the setting sun." I would say, just because you are well of now, does not mean you will be forever.

That's the truth Ruth! Even if Iowa OR Iowa State made that gravy train, they would both be bottom feeders. Nothing against Iowa, but somebody has to lose like it's 1974!

 

[Gonzo]

The NFL does not have 32 great teams, and this new college league will not either. There will be a few teams that were once dominate like a Nebraska, that wants to be added to it.

The B10 and SEC will reach a point after the ACC is destroyed when the true blue bloods of the sport will start to wonder "why are we supporting schools like Maryland and Purdue that really do not bring much in terms of money into the league."

That is the point when the Ohio States and Michigan's will either get more money, unequal revenue or they will leave to form a new league.

I hear a lot of EIU fans saying, "since we are a member of the B10 we are safe from all of this and can just ride off happy into the setting sun." I would say, just because you are well of now, does not mean you will be forever.

Ok, which blue bloods? And how many? And when they go off to form their new superleague, what happens to those previously elite brands who went with them but couldn't keep up and turn into .500 programs because their regular season schedule is filled with the best programs in the country? Do they get scrapped because Bama and tOSU doesn't want to share money with mediocre programs?

That's the disconnect you guys seem to be avoiding. You're saying the B1G is ultimately doomed because of greed and the pursuit of $$$$$$ by tOSU and Michigan and PSU. But then once Maryland and Purdue and Iowa and the rest are left on the scrapheap and all the elite brands from the B1G and SEC have joined forces, that greed and pursuit of $$$$$$ will all of a sudden stop, the superleague of whatever... 16, 20, 24 won't fall victim to the same thing where the top half continues with its greed and wants to cut the bottom half out. Why will it all of a sudden stop?

 

[2speedy1]

There aren't 24 programs at the level of tOSU, Bama, ND, etc. So if you put 10ish elite brands in with 12-14 non-elite brands, how is that different from what you currently have in the B1G and SEC as the P2?

Putting Washington and Wisconsin with OSU or Clemson and Florida state with Alabama is a little different than putting Northwestern and Vandy with them.

 

[2speedy1]

If they still play other teams, then they have not broken away. There are people talking about a group of teams truly breaking away where they don't play anyone but themselves. That is different than what you are suggesting.

Are we considered together with the FCS? We can and do still schedule them, But we are not together in any way, and play nothing more than what can be considered an exhibition game with them.

I mean we are barely considered together with the G5, but because we still play bowls together we are still loosely attached.

 

[Gonzo]

Putting Washington and Wisconsin with OSU or Clemson and Florida state with Alabama is a little different than putting Northwestern and Vandy with them.

Not when Washington and Wisconsin and Florida State end up with .300 winning % every year because their schedule is filled with bluebloods.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Ok, which blue bloods? And how many? And when they go off to form their new superleague, what happens to those previously elite brands who went with them but couldn't keep up and turn into .500 programs because their regular season schedule is filled with the best programs in the country? Do they get scrapped because Bama and tOSU doesn't want to share money with mediocre programs?

That's the disconnect you guys seem to be avoiding. You're saying the B1G is ultimately doomed because of greed and the pursuit of $$$$$$ by tOSU and Michigan and PSU. But then once Maryland and Purdue and Iowa and the rest are left on the scrapheap and all the elite brands from the B1G and SEC have joined forces, that greed and pursuit of $$$$$$ will all of a sudden stop, the superleague of whatever... 16, 20, 24 won't fall victim to the same thing where the top half continues with its greed and wants to cut the bottom half out. Why will it all of a sudden stop?

It will stop then because they have gotten what they have always wanted, the best teams playing the best teams each week.
It's amazing how many EIU fans think that this is just going to stop after the B10 and SEC have destroyed the sport, picked the best teams from the ACC, P12 and B12, and they will end up on the inside laughing, while schools like ISU, is left to rot and die.

Like I said earlier, this is just another step towards the final goal of a 24 to 32 team league, where all the money is being made. Just because you are in those leagues now, does not mean that you will be there once it all works out.

Look at a school like EIU, it's in the middle of a small population state, decent but not outstanding football history. So does this new league add them, because they are currently in the league, or break away and add a school like TCU that brings in the Dallas Metroplex, or a school like Houston for the TV money?

 

[2speedy1]

Ok, which blue bloods? And how many? And when they go off to form their new superleague, what happens to those previously elite brands who went with them but couldn't keep up and turn into .500 programs because their regular season schedule is filled with the best programs in the country? Do they get scrapped because Bama and tOSU doesn't want to share money with mediocre programs?

That's the disconnect you guys seem to be avoiding. You're saying the B1G is ultimately doomed because of greed and the pursuit of $$$$$$ by tOSU and Michigan and PSU. But then once Maryland and Purdue and Iowa and the rest are left on the scrapheap and all the elite brands from the B1G and SEC have joined forces, that greed and pursuit of $$$$$$ will all of a sudden stop, the superleague of whatever... 16, 20, 24 won't fall victim to the same thing where the top half continues with its greed and wants to cut the bottom half out. Why will it all of a sudden stop?

My god man, no one said it does. But has the greed stopped in the NFL. At some point we have no idea what might come next. Jesus we are guessing what the next couple versions might look like. But you want us to tell you what happens 5 versions from now.

The greed never stops.

At some point it may all eat itself. Hell who knows if there is football in 30 years. But in 10 or 15 there may be a break away of the top brands, there may also be a interim where those brands threaten such break away to get a bigger piece of the pie.

After that who the hell knows. I will be dead probably. So I do not care, and the hawks will still suck.

 

[2speedy1]

Not when Washington and Wisconsin and Florida State end up with .300 winning % every year because their schedule is filled with bluebloods.

 

[Gonzo]

It will stop then because they have gotten what they have always wanted, the best teams playing the best teams each week.
It's amazing how many EIU fans think that this is just going to stop after the B10 and SEC have destroyed the sport, picked the best teams from the ACC, P12 and B12, and they will end up on the inside laughing, while schools like ISU, is left to rot and die.

Like I said earlier, this is just another step towards the final goal of a 24 to 32 team league, where all the money is being made. Just because you are in those leagues now, does not mean that you will be there once it all works out.

Look at a school like EIU, it's in the middle of a small population state, decent but not outstanding football history. So does this new league add them, because they are currently in the league, or break away and add a school like TCU that brings in the Dallas Metroplex, or a school like Houston for the TV money?

Right, so the greed and pursuit of $$$ all of a sudden stops once EIU is out. Lol.

You're not making sense. When the best teams play the best teams each week guess what you don't have any more... the best teams playing the best teams. The ones who win consistently will still be the best, the ones who lose won't be. It's funny how you say "EIU fans think that this is just going to stop after the B10 and SEC have destroyed the sport, picked the best teams from the ACC, P12 and B12, and they will end up on the inside laughing..." when that's exactly what you are saying, that all of this greed will stop once the non-bluebloods (basically just EIU) are on the outside.

 

[Gonzo]

My god man, no one said it does. But has the greed stopped in the NFL. At some point we have no idea what might come next. Jesus we are guessing what the next couple versions might look like. But you want us to tell you what happens 5 versions from now.

The greed never stops.

At some point it may all eat itself. Hell who knows if there is football in 30 years. But in 10 or 15 there may be a break away of the top brands, there may also be a interim where those brands threaten such break away to get a bigger piece of the pie.

After that who the hell knows. I will be dead probably. So I do not care, and the hawks will still suck.

Sorry, but this is just you coping.

 

[Gonzo]

My god man, no one said it does. But has the greed stopped in the NFL. At some point we have no idea what might come next. Jesus we are guessing what the next couple versions might look like. But you want us to tell you what happens 5 versions from now.

The greed never stops.

At some point it may all eat itself. Hell who knows if there is football in 30 years. But in 10 or 15 there may be a break away of the top brands, there may also be a interim where those brands threaten such break away to get a bigger piece of the pie.

After that who the hell knows. I will be dead probably. So I do not care, and the hawks will still suck.

Lol, I said this like 2 pages ago. The only thing we really know is that the B1G is going to sign a massive media rights deal, all full-time members will get equal shares for the duration of that deal, probably 6 years minimum but possibly longer. That's all we know. You guys are the ones guaranteeing the B1G going to unequal revenue sharing and tOSU and Michigan leaving for megasuperultraconferences. And it's just coping.

 

[Frak]

Right, so the greed and pursuit of $$$ all of a sudden stops once EIU is out. Lol.

You're not making sense. When the best teams play the best teams each week guess what you don't have any more... the best teams playing the best teams. The ones who win consistently will still be the best, the ones who lose won't be. It's funny how you say "EIU fans think that this is just going to stop after the B10 and SEC have destroyed the sport, picked the best teams from the ACC, P12 and B12, and they will end up on the inside laughing..." when that's exactly what you are saying, that all of this greed will stop once the non-bluebloods (basically just EIU) are on the outside.

I think that you're being plenty naive here. With realignment, it's all good...until it isn't. Unless you are a blue blood or have a huge fan base, you're vulnerable.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Right, so the greed and pursuit of $$$ all of a sudden stops once EIU is out. Lol.

You're not making sense. When the best teams play the best teams each week guess what you don't have any more... the best teams playing the best teams. The ones who win consistently will still be the best, the ones who lose won't be. It's funny how you say "EIU fans think that this is just going to stop after the B10 and SEC have destroyed the sport, picked the best teams from the ACC, P12 and B12, and they will end up on the inside laughing..." when that's exactly what you are saying, that all of this greed will stop once the non-bluebloods (basically just EIU) are on the outside.

No that is not what I am saying at all, I am just pointing out how now, many EIU fans are gloating over the fact that other leagues are losing their best teams, and how they think they are safe, because they are currently a member for the B10.

Alabama and LSU do not need the Vanderbilts of the world to play, they believe they will be fine playing other blue bloods each week and willing to take that chance. The schools that should be worried are those like EIU, that offer very little in terms of TV dollars, and think they are fine, just because they are now a member of the league.

 

[Stormin]

Article from 2007 about the revenue sharing in Big 12. 1/2 the money divided equally. 1/2 the money divided based on appearances, or unequal distribution. I believe the Big 8 was similar.

Note that Nebraska and Texas and the top schools love the unequal distribution. Then they bolt for conferences with equal distribution money. Pricks.

Trip Down Memory Lane, Part II: Big 12 at a Fork in the Road

TB's Note: This story was posted on June 14, 2007. I wrote it in the wake of Kevin Weiberg's resignation as Big 12 commissioner, in response to the conference revenue sharing issues raised at...

www.bringonthecats.com

 

[2speedy1]

Lol, I said this like 2 pages ago. The only thing we really know is that the B1G is going to sign a massive media rights deal, all full-time members will get equal shares for the duration of that deal, probably 6 years minimum but possibly longer. That's all we know. You guys are the ones guaranteeing the B1G going to unequal revenue sharing and tOSU and Michigan leaving for megasuperultraconferences. And it's just coping.

I really thought you were one of the few decent hawk fans, but you are just as clueless as the rest. You cant continue to be this dense and not just be trolling. Maybe you should stick to the ISR Threads.

This isnt coping. This is honesty. You are just to ignorant to admit the same thing can and will happen to the B1G and SEC, once they are done with the rest. It will have to. Because there will be nothing else.

Just like you said, why would the greed stop. It wont. When they have destroyed every other conference why would they just stop, they will still want to increase their value.

Unless you then believe they will start kicking out schools instead of the top teams leaving.

 

[Gonzo]

I think that you're being plenty naive here. With realignment, it's all good...until it isn't. Unless you are a blue blood or have a huge fan base, you're vulnerable.

I don't see the B1G or SEC doing anything to tear themselves apart anytime soon, especially with the media revenue they're going to be generating. If that's being naive, so be it.

 

[Gonzo]

I really thought you were one of the few decent hawk fans, but you are just as clueless as the rest. You cant continue to be this dense and not just be trolling. Maybe you should stick to the ISR Threads.

This isnt coping. This is honesty. You are just to ignorant to admit the same thing can and will happen to the B1G and SEC, once they are done with the rest. It will have to. Because there will be nothing else.

Just like you said, why would the greed stop. It wont. When they have destroyed every other conference why would they just stop, they will still want to increase their value.

Unless you then believe they will start kicking out schools instead of the top teams leaving.

You've now called me ignorant, dense, clueless, naive... all I'm saying is that you saying the same thing that's happened to the Big 12 and Pac 12 "will happen to the B1G and SEC" is utter nonsense and unfounded projection.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I think that you're being plenty naive here. With realignment, it's all good...until it isn't. Unless you are a blue blood or have a huge fan base, you're vulnerable.

This is exactly it. This is going to be a 3 power conference race in 3 years and then 2 in 15 years. Then it will turn to 1 and the top 30 schools will be gone. The joke is on them. College football is a regional sport and ratings will take a massive blow when we get to that point.

Also hitching your wagon to ESPN is like winning the golden ticket on the titanic. ESPN is about to crash.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I don't see the B1G or SEC doing anything to tear themselves apart anytime soon, especially with the media revenue they're going to be generating. If that's being naive, so be it.

No one is saying its going to happen next year or even in five years, the ACC GOR is what is slowing the whole process down. Once those schools are free from their GOR's, then everything will fall into place for this new league to be formed.

The question today is what is going to happen to the Pac 12, are they going to try to patch things up or are other teams like the 4 corner schools going to leave. ND is going to remain independent for now, how long that lasts, no one can say.

For the next 5 to 7 years the SEC and B10 is going to be making money hand over fist, and the ACC, B12, and P12 schools will try to survive. All hell is going to break loose when the ACC contract is up, and those schools are tired of making little money when they could double or triple their income, that is when all hell will break loose.