RECRUITING: Prentiss Nixon commits

[CloneGuy8]

Seems like a good enough player to come in and fill a role. I don't expect him to come in and be the star, but he should be a good player for us either as a starter or off the bench. Probably similar impact as a guy like Talley

 

[ComCY]

1. Do you think it's worth burning a scholarship year playing a kid a few minutes/night when we already have Babb, Wigginton, THT, Talley and Lewis? If you believe he'd get more than a few minutes with this group in place, you're as bullish as bullish gets about Haliburton's stock. I believe he'll be redshirting.
2. Those undoubtedly will not be the only guards we'll have, but we'd be bringing in presumably a freshman or two as Prohm has said he wants to build with high schoolers primarily.
3. Yes, he was the Gatorade player of the year. That was political because Herro went out of state, much in the way THT didn't end up getting Gatorade in Illinois. 247 has three guys ahead of Tyrese in their Wisconsin ranking. Semantics aside, I'd much rather Haliburton is ready the year after next because he DID show efficiency and intelligence. His stats scream "smart". Prohm's coaching hasn't. My bet would be a redshirt senior starting over a redshirt freshman.

When's the last time we redshirted someone, sans them being a transfer into the program.

 

[VeloClone]

Who exactly are those people and what year do they think he would have been "hands down" Mr. Wisconsin basketball? I've gone back to 2011 and at .9166 composite ranking he wouldn't have been in the running for Mr. Basketball in Wisconsin but for the year we picked up T. Lewis.

I like Halliburton but I see him as making a significant impact in 2020-21 and beyond. Should he redshirt...absolutely but kids refuse to do so based upon the current transfer rules. But I do think he will make an impact in a Cyclone uniform.

For starters Haliburton shared conference player of the year honors with McCabe who was awarded the title so it was obviously close.

By the way, while finding your link I learned that Herro not only left the state but committed and then decommitted from Wisky so the politics angle makes a bit more sense. I don't know why Malone couldn't have just said that instead of just saying it was because he left the state.

"...Haliburton — a surefire Mr. Basketball recipient in most seasons..." - JR Radcliffe, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

https://www.jsonline.com/story/comm...member-2018-mr-basketball-decision/436438002/

 

[Malone]

For starters Haliburton shared conference player of the year honors with McCabe who was awarded the title so it was obviously close.

By the way, while finding your link I learned that Herro not only left the state but committed and then decommitted from Wisky so the politics angle makes a bit more sense. I don't know why Malone couldn't have just said that instead of just saying it was because he left the state.

"...Haliburton — a surefire Mr. Basketball recipient in most seasons..." - JR Radcliffe, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

https://www.jsonline.com/story/comm...member-2018-mr-basketball-decision/436438002/

Apologies, I could have been clearer. But yeah there's been rumblings since the announcement that it was politically driven. Which is unfortunate

 

[TheJackWePack5]

This is a commit for Chicago more so than need.


................couldn't hold my tongue, sorry but he's just not of the caliber we should be going after. Y'all will disagree and posture and huff and puff but he's Jeff Beverly - high usage and low efficiency. Confusingly has gotten worse throughout his career as well. KenPom/advanced metrics don't lie.

Yes, he is a good free throw shooter and appears to be a pesky defender. But he is not a point guard. Averages more turnovers than assists. Short. Poor shot selection.

Could he become more efficient with better teammates? Of course. There's also the clear benefit of sitting out and growing with the team. But those are unknowns. There's the Deandre Kane argument, but that's much more exception than rule. I'd compare Prentiss more to an Elijah Brown, who did about the same thing shooting percentage-wise at Oregon that he did at New Mexico - with exponentially better talent at Oregon.

At this point I would hope we'd be going after somebody who's more established and has better offers. To me this is driven purely by Chicago connection as the end goal; blind fanaticism isn't going to steer me in another direction. At some point, a player is what a player is. We have three years of stats supporting an argument that he's not Big 12 caliber.

Come back at me with stats, not righteous indignation based on fanaticism.

Here's a stat for you.

Nixon averaged 13.2ppg on a 24 win team, which tells me he's fine when he plays with good players.

He will play with good players at ISU.

If you were expecting the sit out transfer to be the star player for ISU with today's transfer market, you were doomed from the start.

He's a great addition as a 3rd or 4th scoring option.

 

[ForeverIowan]

This is a commit for Chicago more so than need.


................couldn't hold my tongue, sorry but he's just not of the caliber we should be going after. Y'all will disagree and posture and huff and puff but he's Jeff Beverly - high usage and low efficiency. Confusingly has gotten worse throughout his career as well. KenPom/advanced metrics don't lie.

Yes, he is a good free throw shooter and appears to be a pesky defender. But he is not a point guard. Averages more turnovers than assists. Short. Poor shot selection.

Could he become more efficient with better teammates? Of course. There's also the clear benefit of sitting out and growing with the team. But those are unknowns. There's the Deandre Kane argument, but that's much more exception than rule. I'd compare Prentiss more to an Elijah Brown, who did about the same thing shooting percentage-wise at Oregon that he did at New Mexico - with exponentially better talent at Oregon.

At this point I would hope we'd be going after somebody who's more established and has better offers. To me this is driven purely by Chicago connection as the end goal; blind fanaticism isn't going to steer me in another direction. At some point, a player is what a player is. We have three years of stats supporting an argument that he's not Big 12 caliber.

Come back at me with stats, not righteous indignation based on fanaticism.

Here's a stat for you.

Nixon averaged 13.2ppg on a 24 win team, which tells me he's fine when he plays with good players.

He will play with good players at ISU.

If you were expecting the sit out transfer to be the star player for ISU with today's transfer market, you were doomed from the start.

He's a great addition as a 3rd or 4th scoring option.

Would love to hear who Malone would have preferred in lieu of Nixon. The need was a sit out guard who is ready to contribute immediately in 2019/2020.

 

[clonedude]

Although I don't love the idea of using up a scholly for 2 years and only getting one year out of the player, I'm looking at it like at least we get Shayok this year and Nixon next year at least.

But this sit one play one thing isn't something I'm real keen on.

But I do like Nixon's game. Welcome aboard Prentiss!

 

[CascadeClone]

Deandre Kane is the name that I've seen come up most.

If he reminds me in the slightest of Deandre Kane when I see him play, then I will be THOROUGHLY impressed.

 

[Hayes30]

This is a commit for Chicago more so than need.


................couldn't hold my tongue, sorry but he's just not of the caliber we should be going after. Y'all will disagree and posture and huff and puff but he's Jeff Beverly - high usage and low efficiency. Confusingly has gotten worse throughout his career as well. KenPom/advanced metrics don't lie.

Yes, he is a good free throw shooter and appears to be a pesky defender. But he is not a point guard. Averages more turnovers than assists. Short. Poor shot selection.

Could he become more efficient with better teammates? Of course. There's also the clear benefit of sitting out and growing with the team. But those are unknowns. There's the Deandre Kane argument, but that's much more exception than rule. I'd compare Prentiss more to an Elijah Brown, who did about the same thing shooting percentage-wise at Oregon that he did at New Mexico - with exponentially better talent at Oregon.

At this point I would hope we'd be going after somebody who's more established and has better offers. To me this is driven purely by Chicago connection as the end goal; blind fanaticism isn't going to steer me in another direction. At some point, a player is what a player is. We have three years of stats supporting an argument that he's not Big 12 caliber.

Come back at me with stats, not righteous indignation based on fanaticism.

I'm gonna come at you with 2 things. The 1st being you are comparing two completely different players. Beverly was an undersized PF with no vertical and very limited offesive and defensive skills. Nixon on the other hand is an average sized PG who can play pretty good defense, and shoots the 3 very well. His usage is bad but for a shoot first PG who can shoot it anytime he wants what do you expect? My 2nd point is CSP wanted him so that' good enough for me.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Seems like a good enough player to come in and fill a role. I don't expect him to come in and be the star, but he should be a good player for us either as a starter or off the bench. Probably similar impact as a guy like Talley

I agree. If Nixon is our best player, we might be in a bad spot, but if he is a tertiary (or less) option or a bulldog off the bench, we have a good squad.

A possible starting lineup (assuming no other roster changes) would be...

Nixon (or Haliburton?)
Horton-Tucker
Lewis OR Griffin
Young OR Jacobson
Lard

In that circumstance, I imagine Nixon is at best the #3 scoring option after THT or Lard. If Lewis starts bombing away, he might be #4.

If the second post develops a more flexible offensive game, he is #5.

When's the last time we redshirted someone, sans them being a transfer into the program.

Not related to injury (i.e., Naz)
Not related to transfer rules (i.e., Shayok)
Not related to academics (i.e., Lard)

= Sherron Dorsey-Walker

2012-2013, SDW was actually in the same class as Niang, Naz, and Nkereuwem Okoro.

He is the only one of the Fred or Prohm era to redshirt to "develop."

Although I don't love the idea of using up a scholly for 2 years and only getting one year out of the player, I'm looking at it like at least we get Shayok this year and Nixon next year at least.

But this sit one play one thing isn't something I'm real keen on.

But I do like Nixon's game. Welcome aboard Prentiss!

I actually like this. Think of it like getting a grad transfer for the year after next, and not like scholarship #13 is usually going to get you much.

Let an experienced guy come in, work hard to better himself, set a good example for young players, and push everybody in practice while he is at it.

Many other schools have your mentality -- this might be a remaining Moneyball sort of inefficiency that we can use for some time yet.

 

[Cydkar]

Apologies, I could have been clearer. But yeah there's been rumblings since the announcement that it was politically driven. Which is unfortunate

All voting is.

 

[Cyched]

2019-20 Cyclone Basketball: The A-Prentiss-ship

(I'll escort myself out)

 

[RustShack]

Nothing wrong with a sit one play one. We aren’t playing every scholarship player. He sit’s, gets better, helps the team get better in practice, and knows the system and teammates when he’s ready to play. Guys who transfer in from other schools or Jucos typically aren’t that good until their second year anyways.

 

[clonedude]

I agree. If Nixon is our best player, we might be in a bad spot, but if he is a tertiary (or less) option or a bulldog off the bench, we have a good squad.

A possible starting lineup (assuming no other roster changes) would be...

Nixon (or Haliburton?)
Horton-Tucker
Lewis OR Griffin
Young OR Jacobson
Lard

In that circumstance, I imagine Nixon is at best the #3 scoring option after THT or Lard. If Lewis starts bombing away, he might be #4.

If the second post develops a more flexible offensive game, he is #5.



Not related to injury (i.e., Naz)
Not related to transfer rules (i.e., Shayok)
Not related to academics (i.e., Lard)

= Sherron Dorsey-Walker

2012-2013, SDW was actually in the same class as Niang, Naz, and Nkereuwem Okoro.

He is the only one of the Fred or Prohm era to redshirt to "develop."



I actually like this. Think of it like getting a grad transfer for the year after next, and not like scholarship #13 is usually going to get you much.

Let an experienced guy come in, work hard to better himself, set a good example for young players, and push everybody in practice while he is at it.

Many other schools have your mentality -- this might be a remaining Moneyball sort of inefficiency that we can use for some time yet.

I'm just not sure how I feel about our recent trend of bringing in all these 1 year players? When we were good, it was because we had guys like Niang, Naz, Monte, Thomas, etc for years and years playing together and developing a great chemistry.

I'm a bit concerned about recently having quite different rosters year in and year out. Bringing in a Beverly for one year, a Hans Brase for one year, Shayok we'll only have this coming season, Nixon we'll only have the season after, etc. And although it would be great for both Wiggs and Lard if they are gone after next season to the NBA, it will be bad for our future obviously. We're currently in the mode of piecemealing together rosters I fear and I'm not sure how successful you can be doing that, unless you're Kentucky.

 

[CycloneVet]

I'm just not sure how I feel about our recent trend of bringing in all these 1 year players? When we were good, it was because we had guys like Niang, Naz, Monte, Thomas, etc for years and years playing together and developing a great chemistry.

I'm a bit concerned about recently having quite different rosters year in and year out. Bringing in a Beverly for one year, a Hans Brase for one year, Shayok we'll only have this coming season, Nixon we'll only have the season after, etc. And although it would be great for both Wiggs and Lard if they are gone after next season to the NBA, it will be bad for our future obviously. We're currently in the mode of piecemealing together rosters I fear and I'm not sure how successful you can be doing that, unless you're Kentucky.

Piecemealing???? Lard Wigginton Lewis THT Haliburtan sp? Griffin Conditt are all recruited from the high school ranks. I guess I'm not sure what you mean. I'm fine with 1 year transfers to fill needs.

 

[clonedude]

Piecemealing???? Lard Wigginton Lewis THT Haliburtan sp? Griffin Conditt are all recruited from the high school ranks. I guess I'm not sure what you mean. I'm fine with 1 year transfers to fill needs.

I know. I understand what you are saying, trust me. I'm thrilled with this incoming recruiting class of high schoolers, so I'm sure we won't need to worry. It mostly will come down to if we lose Wiggs and Lard after this season. If that happens, it won't be pretty again I'm afraid.

 

[jsb]

I'm just not sure how I feel about our recent trend of bringing in all these 1 year players? When we were good, it was because we had guys like Niang, Naz, Monte, Thomas, etc for years and years playing together and developing a great chemistry.

I'm a bit concerned about recently having quite different rosters year in and year out. Bringing in a Beverly for one year, a Hans Brase for one year, Shayok we'll only have this coming season, Nixon we'll only have the season after, etc. And although it would be great for both Wiggs and Lard if they are gone after next season to the NBA, it will be bad for our future obviously. We're currently in the mode of piecemealing together rosters I fear and I'm not sure how successful you can be doing that, unless you're Kentucky.

You do realize that bringing in Brase and Beverly was because of the coaching situation and the fact that we had Monte and Naz for an extra year.

This year we bought in just 1 1 year player. It is simply not a big deal.

 

[rochclone]

I do find it hilarious that Chris and Jared's podcast was verbatim what many of us had mentioned regarding concerns about Nixon. Volume jump shooter, poor asst/To and 6"1 which limits his positions to the one or two.

I also found it incredibly entertaining when they said that Mooney was a no brainer and would have started over Babb. I'm fairly certain me and others got eviscetated for that same take.

All that being said. Welcome aboard Prentiss and I hope you are a valuable piece in 19-20.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Goodness, no one expects him to be an all american.

If this is all he ends up being, then I'd say he was worth using the scholarship rather than wasting it this year.

Some people seem to think that every player has to be star caliber, but that’s not how teams are made. He should be a very solid contributor in the guard court with at least THT and Haliburton back, and probably a couple freshmen. Definitely need a confident veteran in that mix.

 

[Gunnerclone]

This is a commit for Chicago more so than need.


................couldn't hold my tongue, sorry but he's just not of the caliber we should be going after. Y'all will disagree and posture and huff and puff but he's Jeff Beverly - high usage and low efficiency. Confusingly has gotten worse throughout his career as well. KenPom/advanced metrics don't lie.

Yes, he is a good free throw shooter and appears to be a pesky defender. But he is not a point guard. Averages more turnovers than assists. Short. Poor shot selection.

Could he become more efficient with better teammates? Of course. There's also the clear benefit of sitting out and growing with the team. But those are unknowns. There's the Deandre Kane argument, but that's much more exception than rule. I'd compare Prentiss more to an Elijah Brown, who did about the same thing shooting percentage-wise at Oregon that he did at New Mexico - with exponentially better talent at Oregon.

At this point I would hope we'd be going after somebody who's more established and has better offers. To me this is driven purely by Chicago connection as the end goal; blind fanaticism isn't going to steer me in another direction. At some point, a player is what a player is. We have three years of stats supporting an argument that he's not Big 12 caliber.

Come back at me with stats, not righteous indignation based on fanaticism.

You could have just left it at the first sentence and lots of heads wouldn’t have nodded with you. Some have to die for many to live.